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Rand Paul: Ask Dick Cheney about Iraq War
POLITICO ^ | 6/20/14 | KENDALL BREITMAN

Posted on 06/20/2014 9:27:12 PM PDT by boycott

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To: ansel12

I remember reading something about that. There was an article here a long time ago that went into some depth on the why behind it but yea, it was a cultural thing. Wish I’d kept it.

Hell just look at all the pre PC literature. the stereotype of Akbar the shifty merchant came from somewhere.


81 posted on 06/20/2014 11:55:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

So do you figure we will just have to live with more terrorist acts like 911?


82 posted on 06/20/2014 11:56:46 PM PDT by woofie
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To: boycott
"Rand Paul: Ask Dick Cheney about Iraq War>>>"

... I think Rand Paul is going to have to face the proven fact that Obama's performance conducting the Iraq war was about as effective as he was with having sex .... he pulled out way too soon.

... that's what she said.

83 posted on 06/20/2014 11:58:30 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: Norm Lenhart; entropy12
Hell just look at all the pre PC literature. the stereotype of Akbar the shifty merchant came from somewhere.

Americans used to know things and study things, and share knowledge in magazines and newspapers and books.

84 posted on 06/21/2014 12:01:22 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: woofie

Personally? yup. Until enough Americans die and enough cities get blasted yes I do. To my core. Because IMO, most Americans really believe the Liberals that Islam is an ROP and until they lose friends and family, have it slammed ...repeatedly... in their personal lives, they will just make excuse after excuse to encourage their demise.


85 posted on 06/21/2014 12:02:29 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: ansel12

Indeed. Even being a GenXer/80s kid, we did. Today? Dude! thats so retro!


86 posted on 06/21/2014 12:04:17 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: woofie

We had to penetrate into that world, and bring the modern world into it, we need to maintain that opening.

We can’t leave those people alone to bubble in their own oil wealth, 21st century technology, nuclear weapons and totally isolated, dictator controlled 7th century peasants, isolation.


87 posted on 06/21/2014 12:08:37 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

You know it’s funny. I just Flashed on this/off topic

The share knowledge thing I totally agree. As a hobbyist musician I read a number of music/production boards. synths/mixing/the tech stuff...all the back end things. and today, many pride themselves on the sharing of knowledge. you often see threads where people mention the bad old days when all the tips tricks and techniques were all black magic voodoo kept by the high priests of the studio. Closely and jealously guarded. Today the average teenager with a laptop and cracked software has access to all the secrets of the Beatles, Zepplin, Sinatra, Cash, elvis bla bla bla.

But you should see the levels of self censorship on those boards. Most musicos are hard left anyway but it’s like reading DU without the politics. There are so many things one just does not say. And should some newb stray, they are hit with a positively Soviet level of “you shall not sin against the orthodoxy!”

The net result is a whole lot of pins and needles with people afraid to share any info or knowledge outside what isd clearly and rigidly enforced. And I don’t mean forum rule stuff. I mean people to people stuff.


88 posted on 06/21/2014 12:18:04 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: woofie; entropy12

Yep, you are right.


89 posted on 06/21/2014 12:19:18 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Norm Lenhart

There is no “we” anymore, so many people means that now ALL the globe is involved, according to the PC crowd.

Post 75 is not part of a conversation anymore, not the knowledge and experience of an individual and his respectable opinion, by today’s standards, it is ugly, and not to be mentioned, and better yet, universally declared untrue.


90 posted on 06/21/2014 12:25:59 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

Which is, of course, the very reason that we are in bizzarro world. Pretty hard to exist/live in an ongoing state of category error. But it sure does lead to a lot of confused people when reality stubbornly refuses to comply with one’s belief structure...and have no clue why that is the case. Because the answers are blasphemous.


91 posted on 06/21/2014 12:34:33 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

What?


92 posted on 06/21/2014 12:38:07 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: boycott

The seed didn’t fall far from the tree.


93 posted on 06/21/2014 12:38:22 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: ansel12

People have so poorly defined their problems, or as you pointed out, are scared to even discuss their actual problems, that they have little or no hope of actually addressing, much less solving their problems. To speak the words are like you were getting at, a blasphemy.

Kind of like Orwell and reducing the language to the point people cannot even form the concept of rebelling.


94 posted on 06/21/2014 12:46:16 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart; entropy12

I hope post 87 is a valid opinion.

By the way, try to involve entropy12.


95 posted on 06/21/2014 12:53:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12; entropy12

Oh absolutely valid. That said though I gotta call it done for the night, But I’ll check back in in the morning with a reply on it. Very interesting conversation ;)


96 posted on 06/21/2014 12:57:53 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: boycott

Rand Paul is nothing more than a weasel butt boy. Say what you want but Iraq was a lot safer place when W left office, but Bam dropped the ball.


97 posted on 06/21/2014 3:46:22 AM PDT by kenmcg (b)
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To: LongWayHome

Every time I see something like this.. “Rand sounds more & more like his daddy....”.

This is just so juvenile. This brings nothing to the table. He is not his dad. Like his dad, he speaks his mind, popular or not. He is anti-war, no one should be surprised at that.

I was supportive of the war at the time. Looking back, it was way too costly in blood and treasure. It cost too many arms and legs and lives. It didn’t have to. To this day we have not found an answer for IEDs.

The war in Iraq was a BIG MISTAKE because of how incompetently the land war was conducted.

Total number of U.S. troops killed in the Iraq War 4,487 U.S. troops

Total number of U.S. soldiers wounded in the Iraq War 32,223

Percent of U.S. soldiers wounded with serious brain or spinal injuries 20 %

Total percentage of U.S. soldiers who served in Iraq War who developed serious mental health problems within 4 months of returning home 30 %

Total amount of approved taxpayer spending on the Iraq War through 2011 $1 Trillion

Have I soured on the war in Iraq? Yes I have. It was not worth it. Let’s learn from this folly and not repeat it.


98 posted on 06/21/2014 4:04:42 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: boycott

Cheney was right...in 1993, when he said taking out Hussein was a bad idea and would cause “pieces of Iraq to fly off”,


99 posted on 06/21/2014 4:44:22 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: allendale
You're absolutely right. It seems like good, decent Freepers today can be divided into two groups on the subject of Iraq: those who think Rand Paul is nuts because they drank the Bush/Cheney Kool-Aid in 2003 on Iraq, and those of us who knew even back then that a U.S. military campaign in Iraq would end up as a complete disaster.

The 1994 version of Dick Cheney sure sounded a hell of a lot smarter than the 2003 and 2014 versions of Dick Cheney, didn't he?

Dick Cheney - April 15, 1994 'Quagmire' Interview

100 posted on 06/21/2014 4:53:35 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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