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To: DoughtyOne

It was another Dem president. Jimmy Carter that lost us Iran, when he didn’t support the pro-West Shah, who was our good friend, didn’t allow the terrorists to gain a foothold and was trying to bring Iran into the 20th century.

After Bush, we had another chance at stabilizing the Middle East by stabilizing Iraq, and Obama destroyed it.

With the Islamic terrorists ruling in Iran and Iraq, it’s only a matter of time, and not much time, before the other ME countries will fall and become solid footholds for the Islamic terrorists also, from where they can blackmail the world with oil, not to mention attacks that will make the 9-11 terrorist attack look like a small practice run.

I also truly feel sorry for Israel.


9 posted on 06/14/2014 11:12:41 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
It was another Dem president. Jimmy Carter that lost us Iran, when he didn’t support the pro-West Shah, who was our good friend, didn’t allow the terrorists to gain a foothold and was trying to bring Iran into the 20th century.

Yes, I agree.  The Shah had modernized Iran to a large extent.  Women's rights were respected.  It was pro-Western and enlightened.  We had really good people coming to the U. S. from Iran back in the 60s and 70s.  Then, as you said, Carter withdrew support from the Shah.  Then in came the Ayatola, and it went down hill from there.

What Carter sought to do, was only support governments that respected human rights.  Of course Carter made the mistake of thinking all nations should work exactly like ours does.  That simply doesn't work when you have a terrorist element seeking to do serious harm to the government, and to civilians indescriminantly.  The Shah had to deal with the Islamic Terrorist element just like we do.  In a nation not as advanced as our own, it was hard to deal with terrorists as we do.  The Shah did crack some heads.  By the standards of other nations in the region, he was probably one of the least objectionable.  None the less, Carter denied the Shah.  Carter, a supposed 'good Christian' even denied the Shah right of entry when he needed chemo treatment.  That's the message Carter sent to the world.  "Our allies could not be confident to even get medical attention in the future."  At the hands of the United States, allies would be abandoned, and essentially destroyed.    


After Bush, we had another chance at stabilizing the Middle East by stabilizing Iraq, and Obama destroyed it.

Essentially, I agree.  I do think Iraq was problematic.  The leadership there didn't want any troups to remain, at one point.  I think Obama could have persuaded them to rethink that.  Instead he pulled all our troops out.  And so the lessons of the Left Wing Pacifists must be relearned.  What Obama ushered in, will be far worse than what was there.  Now we're seeing object lesson of what an Islamic sympathizer within the White House will garner us.  What scares the heck out of me, is that in another twenty years the American voter will have forgotten the lessons of Obama, just like they forgot the lessons of Carter.  


With the Islamic terrorists ruling in Iran and Iraq, it’s only a matter of time, and not much time, before the other ME countries will fall and become solid footholds for the Islamic terrorists also, from where they can blackmail the world with oil, not to mention attacks that will make the 9-11 terrorist attack look like a small practice run.

Sadly, I lean in this direction myself.  With us arming evil entities in Libya, Egypt, Syria... it's just inevitable we'll be dealing with extreme negatives sooner rather than later.  

I also truly feel sorry for Israel.


Normally I would too, but God looks out for Israel.  It may take some hits, but I believe it will remain a strong nation capable of self-defense.


12 posted on 06/14/2014 12:03:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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