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McConnell Trailing in Polls in Kentucky (Vanity)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2014/Magellan_KY_0614.pdf ^

Posted on 06/13/2014 7:44:29 PM PDT by TigerClaws

Rhino Hunt Alert! (Link is to PDF of a poll.)

49%-46%

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


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To: xzins
Reid needs liberal republicans in the Senate leadership. They are what have enabled his agenda so far with their critical supporting procedural votes. Those votes go un-reported, and a show vote gets taken for the rubes back home.

/johnny

141 posted on 06/14/2014 5:07:14 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I don’t believe you give a damn about dead babies either. But God does.


142 posted on 06/14/2014 5:13:43 AM PDT by Theophilus (Be as prolific as you are pro-life.)
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To: Theophilus

Actually, we support Live Action financially, the Susan B Anthony group too, and pray daily for this nation to turn around.

Bye.


143 posted on 06/14/2014 5:30:18 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: INVAR

The rural areas have a solid Yellow Dog population, but Louisville and a good chunk of Lexington is true blue. It takes appealing to both to put a Dem into state office.

For example Besher, the current “Conservative” Dem governor, only won because he put Louisville’s “Mayor for Life”, Liberal Jerry Abramson, on the ticket as Lt Governor. There’s no way that Abramson could win the governorship, so he’s retiring rather than running to succeed.

Grimes, who is running alone, is trying to have it both ways. She’s playing up McConnell’s success at gridlock (a bad thing) with her over the top support for coal and guns - hoping that voters won’t realize that it’s the Washington gridlock that’s preventing Obama and the Dems from going further in damaging both.

Now she’s having Fauxahontas come in and campaign with her. It’ll get good press in Louisville, but be ignored by the media in the rest of the state. And you can bet that they won’t be going to a coal mine, coal powerplant or gun range.

I still see McConnell as having the advantage here. He’ll hammer her on her contradictions for the next five months and there’ll come a tipping point in public awareness that she can’t both represent the interests of KY and function effectively as a Senate Democrat.


144 posted on 06/14/2014 5:46:08 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: JRandomFreeper

No, it’s the greater evil that got us into this mess, not the lesser evil. And it’s the hard slog against the greater evil that gets us out of it, not petulant protest votes.

RINOs are just one symptom of the left having spent the last century marching through our institutions. Undoing this will take a lot more than passive acts of political sabotage. It will require us to do work and build something. It will take mountains of positive effort.

The right way to get rid of a McConnel is to beat him in the primary with a conservative. The wrong way is to enable a pro-abort liberal Democrat after failing to do it the right way.

But again, doing it the right way takes work. You don’t get the luxury of ideologically pure political representation until you’ve moved mountains. That’s how the left did it and that’s how we’ll have to do it. This world rewards work, not complaining.


145 posted on 06/14/2014 6:25:13 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
It's not a matter of purity. It's a matter of liberal republicans that don't even match the party platform... I won't support those. I will work to defeat them.

The days of voting for the 'lesser evil' are over.

Conservatives won't vote for liberal republican candidates, even in the general election.

The GOP must run conservatives that at least match the party platform, or they will be destroyed.

And personally, I don't care if they are destroyed.

I'm a conservative, not a republican.

/johnny

146 posted on 06/14/2014 6:30:44 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Right, let it all burn down. That’ll teach ‘em.


147 posted on 06/14/2014 6:51:09 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Din Maker; SoFloFreeper; usconservative

See post #24. Helps to read the thread before responding.

You might also take a look at the comments about McConnell’s opponent and her record.


148 posted on 06/14/2014 7:16:51 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Yardstick

You don’t get ahead by getting even. Dumping McConnell in favor of Grimes may feel good, but ultimately it hurts the ability of people like Cruz to be effective.

I’m guessing that there will be a lot of Kentucky Conservatives who will vote for Grimes, then HOWL when her presence in the Senate leads to further damage to the coal industry or erosion of gun rights, without understanding or acknowleging their own role in making it all happen.


149 posted on 06/14/2014 7:20:12 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: OldPossum

Sometimes those “FR commenters” to whom you refer are not unaware at all, just prone to slips of the tongue — or, in this case, fingers. I know full well that McConnell is a Senator.

I am simply disgusted that FReepers who consider themselves patriotic Americans could be so sanctimonious as to endanger our very real chances of flipping the Senate from Democratic control in November.


150 posted on 06/14/2014 7:23:10 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: JRandomFreeper

There are those who are deceitful. I acknowledge that.

At the same time, we have Cruz, Lee, Sessions, McDaniels (hopefully) and other conservative senators.

If the republicans have the Senate, then there’s the chance to have some good things happen with those folks there.

If Reid has the Senate, then nothing good can at least get off the ground in the Senate.

Granted, Obama will have the veto, but that is because we don’t have the presidency, not because of anything the conservative senators have done.


151 posted on 06/14/2014 7:25:37 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The days of getting conservatives to hold their nose and vote for the liberal republican are over.

This is the key. This is how we got ourselves into this mess. Conservatives bought the lie that any R was better than a D.

152 posted on 06/14/2014 7:28:15 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Yardstick
So called RINOs are actually liberal republicans. You don't get conservative governance by supporting liberals. Ever.

/johnny

153 posted on 06/14/2014 7:33:53 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: xzins
The last time the liberal republicans controlled the senate, they governed in a liberal manner.

And all the dancing around calling them RINOs or whatever avoids the fact that they are liberal.

If you vote for liberals, you are a liberal, and you get liberal governance.

/johnny

154 posted on 06/14/2014 7:36:22 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jedidah

I wouldn’t go that far.

I get the frustration and anger over McConnell’s behavior. I sympathize with it.

But emotion-based decisions are how Liberals make people vote the way they want them to. There comes a time when emotion needs to be put in check and cold logic needs to take over.

This is one of those cases. Last Fall we saw a freshman junior Senator, member of the minority party, drive his caucus into making a stand and shutting down the government. That was a good thing at the time (as was ending the shutdown because an even better thing: the initial collapse of Obamacare, came along).

Imagine what Cruz and Lee (even Rand Paul, mostly) bolstered by more solid Conservative Senators like McDaniels and enabled by their party holding the majority can accomplish.

Few cycles back, then Chair of the DNC Howard Dean ran a “crazy” 50-state campaign based on supporting Dems EVERYWHERE, regardless of ideological differences. It propelled them not only into the majority, but ALSO gave them the supermajority needed to ram through Obamacare.

We need to learn from that.


155 posted on 06/14/2014 7:37:22 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: JRandomFreeper

Interesting, given your charge please tell us where does McConnell not “match the Party platform”?

And, for comparison, where does he match it?


156 posted on 06/14/2014 7:41:03 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
It's not a matter of getting even. It's a matter of so-called RINOs are actually liberal republicans.

You don't get conservative governance by voting for liberals. Ever. You get liberal governance.

Getting rid of liberals from the Dem party is impossible. It may be possible to rid the republican party of them. Pain will be involved, and it won't happen quickly.

This is what you are seeing happen.

/johnny

157 posted on 06/14/2014 7:41:19 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: tanknetter
McConnell's own words that he would destroy conservatives where he found them, and his critical procedural votes (generally cloture votes) that support the agenda of Reid.

He says one thing with his mouth and his 'show votes', the reality of his procedural votes are quite different.

He is not a conservative.

/johnny

158 posted on 06/14/2014 7:43:32 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You don’t get Conservative governance without holding the Majority.

Howard Baker and Bob Dole (and a whole host of other GOP Senators from the 1981-1987 era) were classic RINOs.

Yet without them, and the majority they held, all the things Reagan did would have been impossible.


159 posted on 06/14/2014 7:44:48 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
A liberal majority is a liberal majority.

The liberal republicans will be destroyed, whining be damned. Many of us are working hard to see that happen.

/johnny

160 posted on 06/14/2014 7:46:22 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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