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GODS AND GENERALS: WHAT STONEWALL JACKSON THOUGHT ABOUT 'DESERTERS'
Breitbart Big Government ^ | June 5 | Ron. Maxwell

Posted on 06/05/2014 9:55:41 AM PDT by Hojczyk

"Desertion is not a solitary crime. It is a crime against the tens of thousands of veterans who are huddled together in the harsh cold of this winter. Against all those who have sacrificed. Against all those who have fallen. Against all the women and the children we have left alone to fend for themselves. I regard the crime of desertion as a sin against the army. Duty is ours, the consequences are God's."

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1 posted on 06/05/2014 9:55:41 AM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

I saw George Washington order the hanging of a couple of deserters on “Turn” a couple weeks back.

It wasn’t a lack of compassion but an act of compassion for the others who served.


2 posted on 06/05/2014 10:02:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Hojczyk

Come back with your shield or on it.................that goes waaaaay back..................


3 posted on 06/05/2014 10:05:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Hojczyk

Ahhhh yes, Gods & General Jackson.....the movie without an ending....


4 posted on 06/05/2014 10:06:20 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: cripplecreek

The Romans used to put them on the cross. Or make fellow Legionaires beat them to death.
Either way works for me.


5 posted on 06/05/2014 10:08:09 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Yorlik803

Ahh good ole Stonewall. I was always a fan of another of his quotes, “You may be whatever you resolve to be.” I saw it every day in college walking into barracks.


6 posted on 06/05/2014 10:13:24 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: VA_Gentleman

Love the rebels or hate them, they were the best generals in the country. Smart and tough is what good leaders should be


7 posted on 06/05/2014 10:15:13 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Hojczyk

When was the last deserter convicted? I was wondering because if it was recent, what right does the military have to let this guy go?


8 posted on 06/05/2014 10:20:55 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Hojczyk

They used to shoot deserters....


9 posted on 06/05/2014 10:22:06 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

I knew a deserter who was sent back home from Nam when his younger sister died. He had been in combat and when he got home he decided to not go back. He was never held accountable.


10 posted on 06/05/2014 10:26:20 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: Nifster
They used to shoot deserters....

It is considered cowardice in the face of the enemy and is punishable by death according to the UCMJ.

11 posted on 06/05/2014 10:32:19 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

Desertion in the face of the enemy is different from some guy in the motor pool in Louisiana going AWOL to shack up with his girlfriend. When I was a military officer at a stateside base, we had the occasional guy stop coming to work; after 30 days, he was technically a deserter rather than just AWOL. If they were apprehended, punishment ranged from reduction in rank, or a fine, to discharge under less than honorable circumstances. We never got around to shooting any of them. Hell, we didn’t even waste time looking for them unless we suspected foul play.


12 posted on 06/05/2014 10:36:26 AM PDT by jumpingcholla34
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman

One of my neighbors fled the Marines after getting his orders to go to Iraq.
The Marines lost a really worthless guy when they lost him.


13 posted on 06/05/2014 10:40:24 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Hojczyk

Should be noted these are NOT Jackson’s words.

They are dialogue from a movie about Jackson.


14 posted on 06/05/2014 10:48:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: cripplecreek
"I saw George Washington order the hanging of a couple of deserters on “Turn” a couple weeks back.

It wasn’t a lack of compassion but an act of compassion for the others who served."

We were talking about that very scene this morning.

Interesting site here with lots of info about the Revolutionary War spy ring from TURN...also trivia, gifs, historical customs, etc. (And I for one am glad to have Maj. Andre's braid explained).

TURN to a Historian

/thread hijack off

15 posted on 06/05/2014 10:48:45 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: demshateGod

Private Eddie Slovik in WW2. Last one I know and it was difficult to get done. Lots of Folks against it which probably why none since.


16 posted on 06/05/2014 11:15:49 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: cripplecreek
I saw George Washington order the hanging of a couple of deserters on “Turn” a couple weeks back.

At Valley Forge, there were 2 incidents of desertion.

The first was not punished by execution. But, the deserters were punished.

The second, however, resulted in a firing squad. A certain number of deserters [drawn by lots?] were condemned. And, a certain number [again, drawn by lots?] were selected to be the firing squad. The rest of the deserters had to watch.

Result? No more desertions ...

17 posted on 06/05/2014 11:17:58 AM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Hojczyk
I was just reading up on the desertion issue, especially during the Civil War and found this about the Kingston Hangings:

The Kinston Hangings (Part 2): A General’s Fatal Anger

General George Pickett ordered the hanging of 22 North Carolina men.

18 posted on 06/05/2014 12:13:08 PM PDT by rochester_veteran (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Yorlik803
They were treasonous bastards who took up arms against their own country to preserve and expand the institution of slavery. They instigated the bloodiest war in American history and because of Lincolns beneficence suffered no penalty for it.
19 posted on 06/05/2014 12:51:27 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: demshateGod
Eddie Slovak, 29th. Inf. Div. Shot for desertion on Dec.31, 1945 in Belgium on orders from General Eisenhower..
20 posted on 06/05/2014 12:53:09 PM PDT by jmacusa
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