[be-baw]

The best thing the GOP could do would be to ignore gay marriage. Like it, ot not, its pretty much out of their control. When forced, candidates should say it’s a states’ issue

[hinckley buzzard]

Pretty much all BS. Most people have little investment in this issue, whether they are pro or con. Like global warming, people will give an opinion if pushed but few actually give a sh*t.

[Oliviaforever]

The author is right on target.

the GOP has no choice but to stand against gay marriage and make the fight for Traditional Marriage a centerpiece of their campaigns in 2014 and 2016.

[Oliviaforever]

The author is right on target.

the GOP has no choice but to stand against gay marriage and make the fight for Traditional Marriage a centerpiece of their campaigns in 2014 and 2016.

[Vince Ferrer]

Progressives have a favorite phrase, that of being "on the right side of history." Progressives believe in linear history, and that they are the vangaurd of that history. Yet actual, real history is nothing like that.

Mayans didn't build these temples in the forest, they built them in the middle of their cities. These cities were large, and were more densly populated than Los Angeles is today. Then in a span of 200 years, the population dropped by 90%, and their culture was gone. They never recovered, and the forests took the cities back. The Mexicans and Central Americans live around these ruins, but they are not really the same people and culture, even if they are directly decended from them. History was not linear for the Mayans. It wasn't linear for the Russians, or the Romans, and it won't be for us.

For all their euphoria, progressives can't see the future implications that all of their engineering results in sterility of the population. They offer abortion, birth control, divorce and single parenthood, pornography, STDs, gay rights, student loan debt so people won't start families, high housing costs, low wages, and unemployment. None of that promotes forming families. There is no future for progressives.

The only way we think we are getting by in America today is through immigration, but that doesn't really count. What is happening is that at such a high rate of collapse, we are being replaced by immigrants, not enhanced.

Progressivism is a philosophy of death, and we can't survive by being a me too party. We have to step outside of the culture of death and let it collapse. Either conservative or immigrants will inherit the country after the collapse, just as the Christians inherited Rome.

[firebrand]

Problem is, the gay activists have us by the politically correct s&c’s. Homosexuality is so widespread now that almost everyone knows someone personally who is gay. People don’t want to risk being a b-word. That is why we have probably lost this one.

[stanne]

Candidates need to focus on the constitution.

If the constitution were adhered to morality would be back in the hands of the people where it belongs.

Roe v wade would’ve been decided correctly, which it wasn’t and judges would not be overturning states’ decisions

All a candidate has to do is stay with the focus of the job description otherwise it becomes a war over who’s will wins the day and that is not working. The libs have the media so public opinion is under their control. We can’t win that.

Swaying opinion to a conservative or liberal set culturally is tge job of the culture not the candidate. More important to remember this when we really can’t win that fight in the political arena

[BeadCounter]

Once I saw who wrote it, I knew what his angle would be. I read Bryan Fischer’s twitters almost daily.

He has said so much as this before: https://twitter.com/BryanJFischer

Originally, he’s from Idaho and his father was a conscientious objector in World War II but I think his father still served the war effort, just didn’t fight, red cross, medical, something like that.

[Berlin_Freeper]

“Gay marriage” is satanic.

[Maurice Tift]

  Politico wants us to believe the tide of history is inevitable

  That's the sort of thinking that led to the fall of Rome. Abandoning something fundamental to civilization because someone created a catchy marketing slogan is certainly an act of cowardice.

[hosepipe]

[rusty schucklefurd]

The Politico writer may well be correct in his assessment for the GOP. But, my feeling is - So What? Wrong is wrong. If you believe homosexual “marriage” is wrong have the guts to say so.

If the people won’t vote you in because of your view, so be it. The sin is upon them. At least you tried to do the right thing.

I’ve seen the view expressed that, “we lost this issue long ago when we allowed the government to ‘sanction’ marriages”. I’ve also seen the view that social conservatives “lost the argument” because it was difficult to demonstrate the harm that homosexual marriage might have on society.

I find those extremely hard to accept.

At one time our nation had a commonly held general view of right and wrong based on Judeo-Christian Biblical morality. That didn’t mean that all Americans were professing Christians or even believers in God, but still there was, in general, a common view that there were moral absolutes. Homosexuality was roundly condemned as not only against God’s moral law, but was also viewed as sick, perverted, and a danger to moral society. This view was expressed in our local, state, and national governments.

The “harm” to society was obvious to most people in our country (not that long ago). The immediate harm to society is moral and spiritual decay. If sex between two men or two women can be seen as “normal”, then ultimately sex between anything can be seen as normal. It’s only a matter of time.

The “harm” to society for heterosexual sex outside of marriage was at one time recognized pretty much by all Americans. Again, the harm is in the normalizing of an act that is described as sin in the Bible. All this was recognized by most Americans in and out of government.

So, when local government required people to get a marriage license and be married by a judge or a duly recognized minister or rabbi - no one in their most horrific nightmare could dream that one day homosexual marriages would ever be an issue.

Of course, the problem today is that there is very little common ground anymore among many Americans as to what Right and Wrong are, let alone what constitutes “sin” anymore.

There is physical harm in acts with violate God’s moral laws - children out of wedlock, increase in poverty, crime, venereal diseases, AIDS, breakdown of the family structure. But, the overriding problem is that acceptance of immorality leads to more and greater lawlessness and immorality. What was once shocking now only elicits a chuckle or worse, nothing at all. Just think back to the sitcoms of the 1950’s and 1960’s - Father Knows Best, Andy Griffith, Hogan’s Heroes, etc. The humor in those shows was nothing like the “humor” in sitcoms today.

The controversy of Rhet Butler’s character using the “D” word in Gone with the Wind, wouldn’t even cause an eyeblink today.

Of course, it’s difficult to argue from a moral standpoint when there is no commonly held view on morality, and, when immorality on every level is seen as “normal”.

Our nation’s greatest problem is spiritual. Yes, vote and do what you can to change people’s minds, but ultimately, the underlying problem for our country is a problem of the soul.

Pray. Live a genuine Christian life (as opposed to a hypocritical life). Tell the truth of God in as gracious a way as possible, but tell it, don’t hide it. That’s all anyone can do. Love your family. Raise your children with Godly teaching and principles. Love your grandchildren and guide them with Godly principles and truth as well. Show the same to your neighbors and friends.

Be a preper (food, water, weapons, ammo, etc.), but understand that faith in God, no matter what the future holds, is the only sure foundation. God’s Kingdom goes on whether there will continue to be a United States of America or not. I pray our country will not only survive, but flourish once again as a nation “under God”, but even if it doesn’t, God is still there. His rule is forever. Nothing Obama or Clinton or the democrats or the GOPe can do or will do will change that.

[Din Maker]

Hell, let ‘em marry. Who gives a crap? They will still do the gay sex thing regardless. As a born-again Christian, I don’t believe in same-sex marriage nor am I for heterosexuals shacking up out of wedlock. So.... let the good times roll.

[Gunpowder green]

Gays are maybe two percent of the electorate, negligible at best. Holding firm on traditional morality will gain us far more than that.

The media is pushing this gay crap, and I am sick of it!

[JudyinCanada]

Go with the morals. It’s quite refreshing to hear someone say that they’ll stand or fall by their beliefs, but they won’t change them. That’s a leader.

[Sans-Culotte]

Bump.

[fuzzylogic]

We need to direct the conversation toward the question: what does marriage mean? Cultures over time have had many different standards regarding marriage. What is our standard? Why? Each form of marriage has impacts on society. Some cultures allow polygamy and specifically *not* gay marriage, why? Marriage has to mean something or it means nothing.

We need to share some blame, it’s only because our standard of marriage has been watered down for decades which has brought forth the question of gay marriage. Casual sex ok? Easy divorce? etc.

If we are on the right side of morality then we should be able to point out the consequences of different forms of marriage. Having one man with many wives has consequences. Men having sex with men has consequences. We must have 2.1 children per couple for a society to maintain its population. We need to minimize the spread of disease while having enough children. We need to point out the CDC stats of gay men. When 2% of the population is having unprotected anal sex with the same 2% of the population then ANY bacteria or virus is going to spread like wildfire. Gay men can’t give blood, for good reason - we need to have somebody with the balls to discuss this seriously and do it in a manner that is factual and hard to argue with, obviously not out of hate.

Then state that for these reasons a society should have high standards for marriage, it is a survival issue. There is a the highest form of marriage and then everything else, the highest form being 1 man and 1 woman - and yes, without pre-marital sex, adultery and divorce. Having sex before marriage has consequences, look around at society and all the problems it causes. Having sex before you’re married brings consequences to your future spouse, call it retroactive adultery.

This pervasive attitude of “don’t judge”, often pointed out as a Christian value, is used to shut people up as a pretext for “anything goes, leave me alone, I don’t want to hear it”. This is not what Christ was saying. There’s a difference between “standing in judgement” (like stoning a woman to death for adultery) and making a “judgement” that a given behavior is wrong, because it doesn’t serve the best interests of society.

A civilization will fall when the fabric of it’s society is unwoven. Our fabric is woven with the essence of Judeo-Christian ethics, it is the basis for our success above all else. We are at war, a war for our souls. If we can’t find a way to articulate the “why” then we’ll lose.

[Altura Ct.]

Gay marriage will destroy the Republican Party