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rockrr: "He saves his wrath for Lincoln. At least he is consistent in his inconsistency..."

achilles2000: "With Lincoln it was a case of systematic disregard for the Constitution that became entrenched and that has gone far beyond anything he would have imagined or endorsed."

It's only achilles2000's studied ignorance of actual history which allows him to make such ridiculous claims.
The fact is that Lincoln did nothing which had not already been done by our Founders themselves, either during the Revolutionary War, or during their own administrations.
In short, there was Founder endorsed precedent for every action Lincoln took.

So now that he has been properly informed, achilles2000 has a choice: he must either:

1) accept our Founders' actions as part of their original intent for their constitution, and therefore legitimate precedent for Lincoln's Civil War actions, or
2) he must reject the Founders' precedent setting actions, and therefore the Founders themselves & their original intent, and therefore the Constitution (except as he personally defines it).

But if achilles2000 rejects both Founders and their constitution, then he is no longer Conservative, but belongs to a different category of political animals altogether.
That category, naturally, is: pro-Confederate lost-causers.

Of course, we all knew that, but here is the bedrock foundation of why it's so.

“The fact is that Lincoln did nothing which had not already been done by our Founders”

Which of those you deemed “Founders” unlawfully suspended habeas corpus and used the military to drag people from their homes in the middle of the night? Which “Founder” imposed an unconstitutional income tax? Unconstitutional paper money?

I could continue, but it really doesn’t matter because you know little, don’t care to learn, and lack basic analytical skills. Like Hannity, you are just a “moderate” statist.

Surely, the "secessionists" of the 1860's were very lucky that they were dealing with Lincoln rather than Andrew Jackson. He would have hung all that he could have gotten his hands on.

This notion that we govern ourselves the way we do because of Lincoln ignores both our history and the flexibility of our institutions. To understand why there is a group of folks who blame Lincoln rather than Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Polk, the two Roosevelts, Wilson and so many others, we must remember that Lincoln was the one who deprived slaveholders of their slaves, the most valuable asset class in the world at that time.

It was all about slavery then and it is all about slavery now.