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To: steve86; INVAR
INVAR: Hindu culture does NOT in any way, shape or form, permit low castes and/or those outside their caste station (i.e.: CHRISTIANS) from advancing or bettering themselves because Hindu religion demands that those born into low castes or outside of accepted stations must suffer to pay for the sins of their past lives.

Invar, then how do you explain the fact that the untouchables are the ones that have advanced the most in UP in the past 15 years? unlike Brahmins they are not tied to land, so have used their educational gains to help improve their lot heavily

In fact Modi himself knocks out your statement -- he's an OBC -- other backward Caste, not a Brahmin, not a Kshatriya (ruling warrior caste) -- yet he's now the ruler over Brahmins, defeating Brahmins (the Gandhi family are Kashmiri Pandit Brahmins) as well as defeating the Brahmin Advani in his own BJP party

Hindu culture -- you can't call Hindu culture as rigidly "you can't do this as its your caste" -- example Valmiki, a non-Brahmin writing the Ramayana or the Bhonsale (Brahmin)ruling the Maharashrans

Granted, those are outliers and the majority strain for the past hundreds of years has been the opposite, but Hindu culture evolves

The upper castes will be the only ones to benefit from Modi's Capitalist reforms. Trickle Down is not something that is possible in Indian society - because they fight against it now. -- sorry, but you have the example of Gujarat where Modi was the Chief Minister for 14 years and in that, the upper castes were NOT the only ones to benefit -- even Moslems benefitted

151 posted on 05/21/2014 3:21:51 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
Invar, then how do you explain the fact that the untouchables are the ones that have advanced the most in UP in the past 15 years? unlike Brahmins they are not tied to land, so have used their educational gains to help improve their lot heavily

I lived in your country, so I've seen how the untouchables and Christians attempting to advance themselves are treated and regarded by your society. It is not this rosy picture you are attempting to paint. I've never seen such abuse, mistreatment and misery of human beings like I witnessed in your country.

In fact Modi himself knocks out your statement -- he's an OBC -- other backward Caste

There are millions of castes within castes. But generally the political castes are beholden to the Hindu Brahmin religious leaders who may or may not be politicians.

Modi represents the surge in radical Hinduism that seeks to purge India of everything 'foreign', including religions that are not Hindu. The Christians I serve are frightened about what they already are seeing the Hindu mobs chanting and saying they are going to do to Christians with "Modi's blessings".

They have good reason to fear.

153 posted on 05/21/2014 9:45:16 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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