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The "Constitutional scholar" Barack Obama going to be slapped down once and for all with this monstrosity.
1 posted on 05/03/2014 3:01:05 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
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October 5, 2013 4:00 AM

Obamacare’s Unconstitutional Origins
Tax legislation has to originate in the House; the health-care law didn’t.
By Andrew C. McCarthy

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/360460/print


36 posted on 05/03/2014 3:39:55 PM PDT by sheikdetailfeather (Yuri Bezmenov (KGB Defector) - "Kick The Communists Out of Your Govt. & Don't Accept Their Goodies.")
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The courts are not our friend, Sir; best to wake up and smell the coffee.

Methinks George’s day has come and gone.


37 posted on 05/03/2014 3:40:43 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

I would like to think that all that George Will says is true but I don’t think it has any juice behind it. George Will is not by any stretch the first to bring this up. This subject has been brought up on FR several times since the SCOTUS ruled ACA was Constitutional as a tax.

Where the origination clause argument breaks down is the dems who controlled the House in 2009 passed a bill that was aimed at providing veteran homeowners tax relief, then the Senate gutted it and inserted ACA into it. Then it was sent back to the House conference where Pelosi ‘deemed it passed’.

In other words a bill involving tax relief or taxes originated in the House, was changed by the Senate and accepted and passed by the House.

So there is no there there.

The case will not go anywhere.

The only way to get rid of Obamacare is to repeal it. And the way to do that is to take the Senate in 2014 with true conservatives and then take the White House in 2016 with a true conservative. This is why the internecine struggle between establishment republicans and Tea Party conservatives is so important because it determines if the USA will be full blown socialist in its future or not.

Origination clause arguments like nullification arguments are distractions and lead nowhere.


39 posted on 05/03/2014 3:43:18 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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The big test will be the right of families who have lost loved ones to 0bamacare to sue the government . . . that alone could reach into the billions on damages alone.


45 posted on 05/03/2014 4:04:40 PM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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If anyone seriously thinks Obamacare will be slapped down, in part or in whole, is borderline insane. TPTB, namely the ruling political class with it's two supporting parties comfortably controlling every election in this nation since the Reagan surprise, need this law in order to control the population. The next unconstitutional nightmare facing our beleaguered nation is the insidious NPV compact of liberal states that will skewer the electoral college by changing the way electoral votes are assigned. That will become the law of the land if the elitist Progressive Republican wing of the Democrat party takes the same approach as it has for the last 2 years for every other fight opportunity. Repeal the Patriot Act. Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley. Repeal Dodd-Frank. Repeal the just passed NDAA. Reinstate Glass- Stegall. Eliminate the Departments of the Interior, Energy, Education, Homeland Security, Agriculture, and Labor. Either black grant the savings back to the states or institute a 17% Fair Tax. Freeze the budget. Eliminate money paid to GSEs and NGOs.
48 posted on 05/03/2014 4:09:53 PM PDT by cashless (Obama told us he would side with Muslims if the political winds shifted in an ugly direction. Ready?)
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The law is basically what a judge says it is.


54 posted on 05/03/2014 4:50:29 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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Not to worry, John Roberts will save the day with a ruling diametrically opposed to the previous one.


55 posted on 05/03/2014 4:50:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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if I remember correctly.
this was satisfied by...

at the last minute,
the Senate passed without changes,
something from the House

(remember that Senator Brown
was about to be seated)


58 posted on 05/03/2014 5:23:30 PM PDT by RockyTx
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ObamaCare should have been killed over severability when part of that monstrosity was found unconstitutional. ObamaCare should have been doomed under Enumerated Powers. ObamaCare should have been doomed under the First Amendment when it was used to attempt to compel Hobby Lobby, Catholic nuns, and many others to violate deeply held religious values to further a trivial government interest that is so obviously harmful that people must be forced to follow the destructive mandates in the law. ObamaCare should also be killed over origination, since the thugs used a ruse in which a House tax bill was replaced in its entirety with an unrelated Senate bill.

Our freedom is in the hands of Chief Justice Roberts. It’s time to pray.


59 posted on 05/03/2014 5:36:24 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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There is another challenge by Dr. Hotze here in Houston using the origination clause AND 5th amendment.

Obamacare’s employer mandate violates the takings clause of the Fifth Amendment. It bars the federal government from requiring citizens to transfer their “wealth directly to others without a ‘public use.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/texas-doctor-sues-obamacare/2013/07/11/id/514678/

61 posted on 05/03/2014 6:10:42 PM PDT by servantboy777
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The Supreme Court is the U.S. federal government ruling on actions of the U.S. federal government.


62 posted on 05/03/2014 6:17:41 PM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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George Will: Obamacare Doomed Under Constitution's Origination Clause

Just tell us, George, who has standing to challenge it before the Supreme Court successfully?

The People certainly don't seem to!

71 posted on 05/03/2014 7:57:08 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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the Senate took up H.R. 3590, a bill regarding housing tax breaks for service members. As the United States Constitution requires all revenue-related bills to originate in the House, the Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate's vehicle for their healthcare reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill. The House then approved the changes.

The real question: in the face of these shenanigans, is the origination clause a dead letter. I believe SCOTUS will say it is.

77 posted on 05/03/2014 8:13:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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bkmk


87 posted on 05/03/2014 9:20:51 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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\A Harry Reid smack down. This low life stripped gutted replaced the contents of a bill with Unaffordable Kare act


89 posted on 05/03/2014 11:13:11 PM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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Not a prayer. The SCOTUS will look like 9 people playing Twister to make sure the law doesn’t get overturned.


92 posted on 05/04/2014 12:02:11 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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BOOKMARK


93 posted on 05/04/2014 12:04:17 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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