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To: M Kehoe

Hey Rod!

Waterboarding is NOT TORTURE!!!!

There is no physical injury and when the process is complete, the subject is in fine health.


4 posted on 04/30/2014 8:20:22 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry

torture is beneath us...there does not have to be physical damage to be torture. Fact.


17 posted on 04/30/2014 8:28:02 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: G Larry
There is no physical injury and when the process is complete, the subject is in fine health.

And it's like baptism in that it could be described as a "come to Jesus" experience...

74 posted on 04/30/2014 11:11:03 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: G Larry
People can be waterboarded to death. When the body is under stress it can cause heart failure or strokes.

And it is torture. Its just the kind that that doesn't leave a mark.

81 posted on 04/30/2014 12:03:35 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: G Larry; Romulus
G Larry -

I think there may be some confusion due to definitions that don't distingish between maiming and torture.

The main element of maiming, would be the permanent injury or loss of function of a limb, organ or system, without therapeutic purpose. It could even be done painlessly, e.g. putting someone under anesthesia and then removing a healthy arm. This would be maiming without torture.

On the other hand, the main element of torture is the directly-intended, deliberate and aforethought infliction of extreme pain and fear, whether as a means or as an end. It can even be done without physical harm. Giving drugs which cause a transient panic state, and committing rape with no injury, and, yeah, water-boarding, would be torture without maiming.

The intention in torture as "enhanced interrogation," is to deprive the subject of rational control of his behavior by creating abnormal mental states induced by pain and fear. It doesn't even have to be a realistic fear. For instance, causing someone to hallucinate and convincing him that the horrors he experienced will recur and recur until he cooperates... that's torture.

This is the kind of stuff that gave Soviet psychiatric facilities a bad name. It's morally wrong.

138 posted on 04/30/2014 4:52:20 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("I bow my knee to the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name.")
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To: G Larry
Waterboarding is NOT TORTURE!!!! There is no physical injury and when the process is complete, the subject is in fine health.

Ah, so you don't mind a little government-sponsored psychological torture then. How nice for you. Hope it comes to your family first.

190 posted on 05/01/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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