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The Sacrilegious Sarah Palin
The American Conservative ^ | 4-27-14 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 04/30/2014 8:13:49 AM PDT by Flame Retardant

Man, the 12 minute speech Sarah Palin gave to the NRA convention is awful. It's just witless, red-meat blathering, delivered in that nasal whine of hers that makes it sound like she's chewing wads of tinfoil. For people who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like.

Fast-forward in the video to the 6:30 mark, though, and listen to what she says about terrorists. It's part of a long harangue about lily-livered liberals, delivered in such a way that makes Archie Bunker sound like Cicero. Money quote:

"Oh, but you can't offend them, can't make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen. Well, if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists."
OK, stop. Not only is this woman, putatively a Christian, praising torture, but she is comparing it to a holy sacrament of the Christian faith. It's disgusting--but even more disgusting, those NRA members, many of whom are no doubt Christians, cheered wildly for her....

Palin and all those who cheered her sacrilegious jibe ought to be ashamed of themselves. For us Christians, baptism is the entry into new life. Palin invoked it to celebrate torture. Even if you don't believe that waterboarding is torture, surely you agree that it should not be compared to baptism, and that such a comparison should be laughed at. What does it say about the character of a person that they could make that joking comparison, and that so many people would cheer for it. Nothing good--and nothing that does honor to the cause of Jesus Christ.

If I thought that kind of hateful declaration and abuse of the Christian religion was what conservatism stood for, I wouldn't be able to call myself a conservative...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: blasphemy; getpalin; hitpiece; jesuswept; noob; palin; roddreher; sarahpalin; selfrighteous; troll
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To: ansel12

Thank you.. that was my point ;^) They will still look past that though :/


181 posted on 05/01/2014 8:04:28 AM PDT by Bikkuri (Molon Labe)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

KSM produce VERY “actionable intellgence”.

I remind you, waterboarding was NOT widespread, and it was VERY productive!


182 posted on 05/01/2014 8:29:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Flame Retardant

That was just plain silly, why post something so out of the blue?


183 posted on 05/01/2014 9:03:04 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You owe it to our military and our veterans to answer post 168.


184 posted on 05/01/2014 9:41:30 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Yes.


185 posted on 05/01/2014 10:07:56 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Since the world's creation,GodÂ’s eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen.- Rom 1:20)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

So you are just anti-military and are preaching passivity and surrender.


186 posted on 05/01/2014 10:32:16 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
That is an extreme and invalid conclusion. I am neither a pacifist, nor a passive-ist, nor anti-military.

To review: you asked, "Is it wrong to slit the throat of a 16 year old boy who is napping, if you are on your way to kill a terrorist?"

On the face of it, you are asking whether it is wrong to intentionally kill a person who is, atr the time, helpless, and who is not aggressing against you. (What you're on your way to do, is irrelevant; the boy's age is irrelevant; and in your description there's no reason to think he is an aggressor.)

It's a peculiar question.

Slitting the throat of a sleeping adolescent is not an act of war at all, let alone an act of "just" war. It's merely murder.

Even if the sleeping person were a IED-planter, the fact that he asleep would presumably mean you have a way of stopping him without killing him. You have a moral obligation to stop him. Tie him up, surely. Throw him in a locked room, surely. Break his arm, possibly. You do not have a moral right to slit his throat.

187 posted on 05/01/2014 11:21:11 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Stand fast and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
the fact that he asleep would presumably mean you have a way of stopping him without killing him. You have a moral obligation to stop him. Tie him up, surely. Throw him in a locked room, surely. Break his arm, possibly. You do not have a moral right to slit his throat.

A sleeping 16 year old shepherd boy guarding the yard outside of the building of his leader, who you need to snatch, for interrogation.

You should be training our Special operations people, you could explain to them that slitting the throat of a sleeping sentry isn't necessary, that you could just wrestle him down, break his arm, and carry him with you, until you can enter the enemy's headquarters and place him a locked room.

You don't seem to have any grasp of what the military has to do, it gets far worse than killing a sleeping sentry, you must not know that soldiers sometimes have to execute all of the enemy wounded, and in a worse case scenario, kill one of their own who is injured and can't travel, or even a young child who has seen them deep behind enemy lines.

If you think that is bad, then you sure don't want to contemplate bombings and artillery and Armor use, in city fighting.

Do you know how our soldiers cleared a house in WWII, not knowing if it was empty, or occupied by a family, or by enemy?

Ether we go passive and stop resisting, and surrender, or else we have to do things that you evidently, were not aware of.

188 posted on 05/01/2014 11:43:05 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
Your method of questioning me, was to offer me a hypothetical example with almost all of the morally relevant information omitted. For instance, that the boy is a combatant (a sentry) --- funny you didn't mention that.

This is a game I will not play. I'm off to the beanpatch. You may want to bolster your hypotheticals with the crucial details needed to make a judgment --- and then offer them elsewhere.

189 posted on 05/01/2014 1:08:02 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: G Larry
Waterboarding is NOT TORTURE!!!! There is no physical injury and when the process is complete, the subject is in fine health.

Ah, so you don't mind a little government-sponsored psychological torture then. How nice for you. Hope it comes to your family first.

190 posted on 05/01/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Even if the sleeping person were a IED-planter, the fact that he asleep would presumably mean you have a way of stopping him without killing him. You have a moral obligation to stop him. Tie him up, surely. Throw him in a locked room, surely. Break his arm, possibly. You do not have a moral right to slit his throat.

Really? Read post 188, it answers you.

You don't seem to have any grasp of what the military has to do, it gets far worse than killing a sleeping sentry, you must not know that soldiers sometimes have to execute all of the enemy wounded, and in a worse case scenario, kill one of their own who is injured and can't travel, or even a young child who has seen them deep behind enemy lines.

If you think that is bad, then you sure don't want to contemplate bombings and artillery and Armor use, in city fighting.

Do you know how our soldiers cleared a house in WWII, not knowing if it was empty, or occupied by a SLEEPING family, or by enemy?

191 posted on 05/01/2014 1:53:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Teacher317

Read post 69.

We water-board federal employees by the tens of thousands, It even happens in NATO schools.


192 posted on 05/01/2014 1:56:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
Straight from the source:
"I make up stories," Al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told federal officials, in broken English, sometime over the past three years he was at the military prison in Guantánamo Bay. In files recently unearthed through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the terrorist said that he made up stories and information, even regarding the location of Osama bin Laden, so that the use of enhanced interrogation on him would stop.

193 posted on 05/01/2014 2:17:46 PM PDT by Flame Retardant (If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism: Ronald Reagan)
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To: Teacher317
Ah, so you don't mind a little government-sponsored psychological torture then.

I'm sure we can trust the government to apply these methods only to terrorists....

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid slammed supporters of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, calling them "domestic terrorists."
So, by the apologists' logic, it's OK to waterboard the lot of 'em.
194 posted on 05/01/2014 2:20:42 PM PDT by Flame Retardant (If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism: Ronald Reagan)
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To: Flame Retardant

Making up stories is interrogation resistance 101, a 5 year old child knows about lying, what do you think many hours of interrogation training and how to resist it, in classes from schools that you are sent to and classes that you attend over your career, are all about, there is a lot more to resistance than simple lying.

Who do you think is teaching those interrogation resistance techniques to our Green Berets, and CIA agents, and Navy SEALs on how to hold out for as long as you can, to delay spilling your guts for as long as you can, before a good interrogator breaks you? It is the same experts who will be interrogating the enemy.

The American military did not change our policy on resistance 40 years ago, from “don’t break”, to “hold out for as long as possible, and then try to recover and reset, after breaking” because the human race had never thought of your brilliant plan, of “just make up a lie”.


195 posted on 05/01/2014 2:49:43 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Flame Retardant
I'm sure we can trust the government to apply these methods only to terrorists....

So far we have three terrorists, and tens of thousands of federal employees who have been water-boarded.

196 posted on 05/01/2014 2:51:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

When a long distance reconnaissance team of 4 or 5 men is far behind enemy lines, and captures a couple of enemy soldiers or even civilians who might have seen them, what options do you think are available in a situation where the mission needs to be completed?


197 posted on 05/01/2014 2:57:16 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

“When a long distance reconnaissance team of 4 or 5 men is far behind enemy lines, and captures a couple of enemy soldiers or even civilians who might have seen them, what options do you think are available in a situation where the mission needs to be completed?”

Waterboard them and call it baptism?


198 posted on 05/01/2014 3:01:45 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz
Waterboard them and call it baptism?

Maybe if you waterboard them in a church....

199 posted on 05/01/2014 3:15:59 PM PDT by Flame Retardant (If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism: Ronald Reagan)
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To: ansel12
We water-board federal employees by the tens of thousands, It even happens in NATO schools.

"Federal employees".... vs "special forces" and "anti-interrogation training"... not exactly the same thing. Why so disingenuous? It certainly doesn't help make your point or make readers trust your posts.

200 posted on 05/01/2014 3:20:35 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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