Posted on 04/30/2014 8:13:49 AM PDT by Flame Retardant
Man, the 12 minute speech Sarah Palin gave to the NRA convention is awful. It's just witless, red-meat blathering, delivered in that nasal whine of hers that makes it sound like she's chewing wads of tinfoil. For people who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like.
Fast-forward in the video to the 6:30 mark, though, and listen to what she says about terrorists. It's part of a long harangue about lily-livered liberals, delivered in such a way that makes Archie Bunker sound like Cicero. Money quote:
"Oh, but you can't offend them, can't make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen. Well, if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists."OK, stop. Not only is this woman, putatively a Christian, praising torture, but she is comparing it to a holy sacrament of the Christian faith. It's disgusting--but even more disgusting, those NRA members, many of whom are no doubt Christians, cheered wildly for her....
Palin and all those who cheered her sacrilegious jibe ought to be ashamed of themselves. For us Christians, baptism is the entry into new life. Palin invoked it to celebrate torture. Even if you don't believe that waterboarding is torture, surely you agree that it should not be compared to baptism, and that such a comparison should be laughed at. What does it say about the character of a person that they could make that joking comparison, and that so many people would cheer for it. Nothing good--and nothing that does honor to the cause of Jesus Christ.
If I thought that kind of hateful declaration and abuse of the Christian religion was what conservatism stood for, I wouldn't be able to call myself a conservative...
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yes..actually when we have a small ego...no pride..we are never personally offended..in other words we naturally forgive.
See? There you go. ;)
Dreher lives in Louisiana. I believe he was born there.
I would guess that of the 10s of thousands of federal employees who are water-boarded, the vast majority, are not officers.
It could involve something that's merely obnoxious (dropping a centipede on your little sister) to something that reaves you of your immortal soul for all eternity.
Between pain and fear, I’d say it’s the fear.
I’m just quoting what I was told by the previous poster. I personally don’t know if we’re talking officers or subordinates.
Is it wrong to slit the throat of a 16 year old boy who is napping, if you are on your way to kill a terrorist?
And what part of this “Hell Week” training is pain and fear?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg2vF4UQMmQ<
What part of carrying 120 lb. pack in 115 degree desert heat, without knowing where the enemy is, or where the next IED is buried, is pain and fear?
* Romulus is perhaps the most right wing, traditionalist Catholic on FR.*
That’s DEFINITELY going into my trophy case. Bless you, ZC.
*I’m not a fan of torture*
Not even if it could possibly be of benefit to a Jew, especially in the Holy Land?
I despise hypocrisy too, ZC— of all sorts
[Even if there were no moral objections whatsoever to waterboarding, it would still be sacrilegious to equate it to sacred baptism, just as it would be sacrilegious to equate my morning shower or a dip in the jacuzzi to unwind with sacred baptism.]
You know as much about what is sacrilege as you know about baptism.
Origin of baptism
From the New Testament Greek Lexicon:
Definition
to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one’s self, bathe
to overwhelm
The word baptism has a meaning separate from what you believe is your so called “sacred baptism.”
Libs sure like to pretend piety. But they have no idea what it really means.
she will be the Churchill(Winston not Ward), Reagan, Thatcher of the 21st century if given half a chance.
With due respect I think Gov Palin’s political intellect is superior to that of all the three named people.
This can be proven, only with time, and I hope it is.
Pain and fear in training are a different thing altogether. I believe they're intended actually to increase the trainee's ability to control his thoughts and actions despite extreme duress.
If you read your response carefully, you will find you’ve answered your own question.
The troops are trained to withstand “enhanced interrogation”.
The enemy is aware of this also.
In the unique “battlefield” of terrorism, “enhanced interrogation” is clearly in the center of that battlefield.
KSM was clear that waterboarding would not and was not intended to kill him, as he’d endured several sessions before giving up the necessary information.
He simply tired of the process and provided the data.
It is important to keep in mind that only about 3 Terror leaders were waterboarded, and careful deliberation was given before approving each case.
Indeed. The professionals who gather and analyze intelligence (as opposed to people yammering to each other on the internet and speaking in front of convention peanut galleries) know that the effective approach is to psychologically manipulate the subject so that the normal impulses of man-as-social-animal include the interrogator as part of his social group. This may take the form of "Stockholm Syndrome", genunine conversion, or something in between, but it works and it doesn't take as much time or effort as one might think.
That just proves the point -- they quit doing it when they confirmed that it doesn't work.
It would be a neat trick to rearrange five letters into six letters.
Basically, that rapport-building techniques produce more accurate cooperation than doses of pain and panic.
Pain and panic can become so deforming of the subjects thought processes, that either he manages to retain his rationality well enough to say whatever he thinks you want him to say, no matter how wild, ---or he actually loses the ability to process and convey rational information.
Thus fear/pain don't regularly produce actionable intelligence. That's one of the reasons it's not approved by the U.S. Army Field Manual.
The moral reasons are entirely different from the utilitarian considerations, but come to the same conclusions.
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