Posted on 04/30/2014 8:13:49 AM PDT by Flame Retardant
Thank you.. that was my point ;^) They will still look past that though :/
KSM produce VERY “actionable intellgence”.
I remind you, waterboarding was NOT widespread, and it was VERY productive!
That was just plain silly, why post something so out of the blue?
You owe it to our military and our veterans to answer post 168.
Yes.
So you are just anti-military and are preaching passivity and surrender.
To review: you asked, "Is it wrong to slit the throat of a 16 year old boy who is napping, if you are on your way to kill a terrorist?"
On the face of it, you are asking whether it is wrong to intentionally kill a person who is, atr the time, helpless, and who is not aggressing against you. (What you're on your way to do, is irrelevant; the boy's age is irrelevant; and in your description there's no reason to think he is an aggressor.)
It's a peculiar question.
Slitting the throat of a sleeping adolescent is not an act of war at all, let alone an act of "just" war. It's merely murder.
Even if the sleeping person were a IED-planter, the fact that he asleep would presumably mean you have a way of stopping him without killing him. You have a moral obligation to stop him. Tie him up, surely. Throw him in a locked room, surely. Break his arm, possibly. You do not have a moral right to slit his throat.
A sleeping 16 year old shepherd boy guarding the yard outside of the building of his leader, who you need to snatch, for interrogation.
You should be training our Special operations people, you could explain to them that slitting the throat of a sleeping sentry isn't necessary, that you could just wrestle him down, break his arm, and carry him with you, until you can enter the enemy's headquarters and place him a locked room.
You don't seem to have any grasp of what the military has to do, it gets far worse than killing a sleeping sentry, you must not know that soldiers sometimes have to execute all of the enemy wounded, and in a worse case scenario, kill one of their own who is injured and can't travel, or even a young child who has seen them deep behind enemy lines.
If you think that is bad, then you sure don't want to contemplate bombings and artillery and Armor use, in city fighting.
Do you know how our soldiers cleared a house in WWII, not knowing if it was empty, or occupied by a family, or by enemy?
Ether we go passive and stop resisting, and surrender, or else we have to do things that you evidently, were not aware of.
This is a game I will not play. I'm off to the beanpatch. You may want to bolster your hypotheticals with the crucial details needed to make a judgment --- and then offer them elsewhere.
Ah, so you don't mind a little government-sponsored psychological torture then. How nice for you. Hope it comes to your family first.
Really? Read post 188, it answers you.
You don't seem to have any grasp of what the military has to do, it gets far worse than killing a sleeping sentry, you must not know that soldiers sometimes have to execute all of the enemy wounded, and in a worse case scenario, kill one of their own who is injured and can't travel, or even a young child who has seen them deep behind enemy lines.
If you think that is bad, then you sure don't want to contemplate bombings and artillery and Armor use, in city fighting.
Do you know how our soldiers cleared a house in WWII, not knowing if it was empty, or occupied by a SLEEPING family, or by enemy?
Read post 69.
We water-board federal employees by the tens of thousands, It even happens in NATO schools.
"I make up stories," Al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told federal officials, in broken English, sometime over the past three years he was at the military prison in Guantánamo Bay. In files recently unearthed through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, the terrorist said that he made up stories and information, even regarding the location of Osama bin Laden, so that the use of enhanced interrogation on him would stop.
I'm sure we can trust the government to apply these methods only to terrorists....
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid slammed supporters of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, calling them "domestic terrorists."So, by the apologists' logic, it's OK to waterboard the lot of 'em.
Making up stories is interrogation resistance 101, a 5 year old child knows about lying, what do you think many hours of interrogation training and how to resist it, in classes from schools that you are sent to and classes that you attend over your career, are all about, there is a lot more to resistance than simple lying.
Who do you think is teaching those interrogation resistance techniques to our Green Berets, and CIA agents, and Navy SEALs on how to hold out for as long as you can, to delay spilling your guts for as long as you can, before a good interrogator breaks you? It is the same experts who will be interrogating the enemy.
The American military did not change our policy on resistance 40 years ago, from “don’t break”, to “hold out for as long as possible, and then try to recover and reset, after breaking” because the human race had never thought of your brilliant plan, of “just make up a lie”.
So far we have three terrorists, and tens of thousands of federal employees who have been water-boarded.
When a long distance reconnaissance team of 4 or 5 men is far behind enemy lines, and captures a couple of enemy soldiers or even civilians who might have seen them, what options do you think are available in a situation where the mission needs to be completed?
“When a long distance reconnaissance team of 4 or 5 men is far behind enemy lines, and captures a couple of enemy soldiers or even civilians who might have seen them, what options do you think are available in a situation where the mission needs to be completed?”
Waterboard them and call it baptism?
Maybe if you waterboard them in a church....
"Federal employees".... vs "special forces" and "anti-interrogation training"... not exactly the same thing. Why so disingenuous? It certainly doesn't help make your point or make readers trust your posts.
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