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To: DoughtyOne
The DoughtyKlown blathered: It [illegal immigration] doesn't seem to be on Palin's radar...

Well, I suppose that's true if you're a lying sack of Obama, who refers to Sarah Palin as "a failed half term governor" (a slur straight from the DUmpster), and hijacks a thread on Palin's "waterboarding terrorists" speech to foam and gibber about "illegal immigration".

Oh, and you also have to ignore the last several years of actual real Palin news, too.

As FReeper Lakeshark has pointed out:

Seriously though, there is a HUGE MENTAL PROBLEM with the person we're making fun of, THE ERSTWHILE SUPERHERO (in his own mind) : The Blue Ink Stain. He's either fully delusional (eunachal), or bordering on genuinely evil (soulless animal), or, as I would vote him, a poor mongrel combination of both.

1. He claims his interviews LINK prove some kind of policy favoring unbridled illegal immigration and amnesty. If you actually go to the interviews, NO ONE BUT HIM, can actually discern a policy, and can't tell what she believes.
2. The first three interviews are, wait for this, six years ago while she's doing the job of defending someone else's policy as she's running for veep. It's also clear from the interviews her own opinion is we shouldn't deliver amnesty, plus we have to fix the borders to stop this nonsense.
3. The fourth interview is Chris Matthews interrupting her in 2010 (wait, wait, maybe that's someone else), which is four years ago. In this interview, once again she reiterates that WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDER, and, WE CAN'T GIVE AMNESTY TO ILLEGALS!.

Now, any sane person might want to say, there is no discernible policy here in these interviews, no way to genuinely get to the heart of her beliefs, but one thing for sure, she doesn't want to grant amnesty, and she wants to control the border.

Oh....but The Blue Ink Stain , he knows better. He KNOWS what this means, after all, she says "registration", therefore she must be a closeted full throated leftist who wants to throw our borders open, give amnesty, and give the dems a permanent majority. HE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE, because, after all....he is.....The Blue Ink Stain!!!

Seriously, how unhinged do you have to be to actually make that kind of leap. LINK

We've pointed out her pronouncements of the past years and her actions have been diametrically opposed to his blue delusional beliefs since then over and over again, yet he persists in showing off his foolish blue skirts.
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1. She came out full broadside multiple times against the dream act.
2. She's on record saying both Rubio and Ayotte should be primaried for their support of amnesty and the ensuing chaos of open borders.
3. She's actually asked Rubio is he's proud of collecting his pieces of silver for his support of illegals, a pretty harsh take down.
4. She's the ONLY conservative who fully backed Arizona's attempts to enforce existing immigration law.
5. She's the ONLY conservative to actually go to Arizona to show support for the governor on this action.
6. She's had several other pronouncements about the GOPE's idiocy in their attempts to deliver amnesty.
7. Her most recent take down of Jeb Bush's nonsense about "acts of love" and reminding us that it's ILLEGAL to cross our borders and wrong to take American jobs was classic.

So...here we are: You can follow The Blue Ink Stain's delusional private beliefs about her "policies". Or: You can have some common sense and realize that She's one of the bright lights in fighting illegal immigration, that she genuinely wants to control the borders, and that she genuinely hates the idea of amnesty.

Your choice.

So, you can believe a lying Palin-hating obsessive whackjob scum like Doughty, or you can believe objective people, who aren't obsessed with 6-year-old "news".

Oh, and you can also read the original article, which has NOTHING to do with .The Blue Ink Stain's gibbering obsessions, but rather Sarah Palin's "waterboarding terrorists" speech .

491 posted on 05/13/2014 5:03:21 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Lakeshark
Doughty's at it again with the obsessive whacky Palin-hatin':

I had to smack him down with your awesome clue-by-four from the other day.

Of course, the deranged Jack-in-the-box will spring right back up, foam-flecked spittle flying from his keyboard, with another Devastating Doughty Broadside that will be GUARANTEED to chase Sarah Palin from the national political stage, in complete & utter humiliation.

Or not...

492 posted on 05/13/2014 5:10:25 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil
One Palin Supporter: LINK  

Where he admits he hasn't even listened to the interview where Palin states her policy on Register and Remain in Place, that he has argued about for over nine days and over 370 posts deep into this thread. LINK addressed here:  LINK

To what depths will they stoop:
 LINK  addressed here: LINK

It's at times like this when I actually begin to feel a bit sorry for the person who thinks they're really scoring with each post.  They flip to one issue and then flop to another.  They make insults, and believe this will really convince folks they're right.  "Why I made such a cunning insult.  I know folks will side with me now.  Soon I will have this poster leaving this thread, because I have just shown him up!"

It hasn't worked in closing in on two and a half weeks, but they're convinced, it will happen soon.  Seriously, don't you feel just a twinge of sorrow over their plight?  Two and a half weeks in, the person hasn't listened to the interveiw, can't find a place where she announces she has changed her mind, and has nothing left to do but address other things she has done, and play like she has changed her mind, even though he can't show us where she did.

They don't have the mental faculties to know they aren't scoring.  They can't figure out why I just keep posting portions of the same thing, revealing them for who they are, and an issue that their candidate publicly signed on to, but never publicly signed off of.

You see, if you're a political figure, you state your policy.  If the policy is flawed and you come to realize it, you explain to the public that you have changed your mind.  You don't even have to say what you did is wrong.  You can say that you came up with a better idea.  You move on.  Palin has never done this.

She did not recognize her error.  It wasn't important for her to make a public correction.  Hey, it's okay.  She still believes in Registering and Remaining in place.  I don't.  That's the long and the short of it.

I don't hate the woman, I just find this to be an issue I could never agree with.  If others can, so be it.  I don't think flooding this nation with as many as 200 million more citizems from North, Centra, and South America over the next twenty years is something our nation could survive from a Conservative standpoint.  So I will remain opposed to it.  Those who wish to front for someone who does support this, can tell themselves anything they like, but down deep inside they'll know they are on very shakey ground.


Okay, let's review today's avoidence...

The DoughtyKlown blathered: It [illegal immigration] doesn't seem to be on Palin's radar...

Well, I suppose that's true if you're a lying sack of Obama, who refers to Sarah Palin as "a failed half term governor" (a slur straight from the DUmpster), and hijacks a thread on Palin's "waterboarding terrorists" speech to foam and gibber about "illegal immigration".

There he is, the person I've come to know for who he is.  I have linked Palin's own public interview on the O'Reilly show.  Folks can listen to her explain where her policy is.  She favors Registering illegal aliens and allowing them to Remain in Place to continue to work here.  My explaining what her policy is, in accordance with this interview is deemed lying.  There's nothing this person won't try to move me off that point.  And since that's never going to happen, he's got a serious problem.  And since Palin is on the record on video announcing her plans for the illegals in country, there's nothing he can do to end this problem.  Only Palin can.

Oh, and you also have to ignore the last several years of actual real Palin news, too.

There is a fair amount of Palin news alright.  Sadly, none of it actually addresses her announced policy.  She supported this policy from 2008 to 2010.  That's not a mere mis-statement.  It's a long standing policy stance.  In 2010, it was her own.  There's no spinning the real power behind the policy.  It was hers.  And as of yet, she has not publicly rejected it.  She supported Registration and Remain in Place then, and as far as we know, she still does.

Now it appears we're going to review a list of other things she has done, for what the 10th time?  LOL.  Those other times it was pointed out that Palin was in favor of one of the "amnesty, not an amnesty" plans.  Now they think interesting and positive statements are sure evidence she has changed her policy.  No, it merely means she has said some good things too.  It still does not prove she has changed her stance on Registering and Remaining in Place.  Sadly, this one can't grasp that.  Okay, here goes...


As FReeper Lakeshark has pointed out:

    Seriously though, there is a HUGE MENTAL PROBLEM with the person we're making fun of, THE ERSTWHILE SUPERHERO (in his own mind) : The Blue Ink Stain. He's either fully delusional (eunachal), or bordering on genuinely evil (soulless animal), or, as I would vote him, a poor mongrel combination of both.

Isn't that a powerful arguement proving Palin has changed her policy?  ...no.

    1. He claims his interviews LINK prove some kind of policy favoring unbridled illegal immigration and amnesty. If you actually go to the interviews, NO ONE BUT HIM, can actually discern a policy, and can't tell what she believes.

In answer to an O'Reilly question, Palin states that she supports registering the illegal aliens.  She then states that after this it is expected they will work.  This is Registering and Remaining in Place to continue working as they have been.  Evidently Palin does not believe this is a reward, or them jumping to the front of the line.

Please link me to where I said Palin favored unbridled illegal immigration..


    2. The first three interviews are, wait for this, six years ago while she's doing the job of defending someone else's policy as she's running for veep. It's also clear from the interviews her own opinion is we shouldn't deliver amnesty, plus we have to fix the borders to stop this nonsense.

Yes, she did hawk this policy with McCain.  Wow, some actual lucidity from this guy.  Give him a hand folks.  He now admits she was hawking the same policy for over two years.  He also touches on the fact she has said she would not support an amnesty.  Well, I'm sorry but Registering illegal aliens and letting them Remain in Place here legally is what, if not an amnesty?  One moment they're illegal aliens, the next moment they are legal residents.  Hmmm, sounds like all is forgiven to me.  Can someone think of another way to describe this event?  They are illegal aliens, and then legal residents?  Please folks, don't ever think of this as amnesty.  I know I won't.  Cough cough, hack, hack...

    3. The fourth interview is Chris Matthews interrupting her in 2010 (wait, wait, maybe that's someone else), which is four years ago. In this interview, once again she reiterates that WE HAVE TO SHUT DOWN THE BORDER, and, WE CAN'T GIVE AMNESTY TO ILLEGALS!.

One mintue their illegal aliens, and the next they are legal residents.  She can say whatever she likes.  Her followers do.  This is still a form of Amnesty.  We wish it wasn't, but in effect it is.  These people will never be required to go back to their nation of origion.  They will have accomplished their goal.  They will have come to the United States, have working in the underground economy, and have been given legal status.  That's it.  In essence, amnesty.    

    Now, any sane person might want to say, there is no discernible policy here in these interviews, no way to genuinely get to the heart of her beliefs, but one thing for sure, she doesn't want to grant amnesty, and she wants to control the border.

In this post, this individual has agreed that her policy did not change in over two years.  She favored Registraton and Remaining in Place.  If he didn't believe this, he would have made noise loud enough we wouldn't have needed the forum to hear it.  And now he ventures to say there's no way to get to the heart of her beliefs.  Well, I believe there is.  I have been asking folks to listen to Palin in her own voice, at a time of her own choosing, stating her own beliefs and goals.  In the interview she makes it very clear what she plans to do with the illegal aliens inside our nation.  There's no wiggle room.  She said it, and unless someone wishes to call her a massive liar for saying what she did on public television, this was her policy.

We are assured once again, she does not want to grant amnesty.  You know what, I'm going to give this person the benefit of the doubt.  I believe he truly thinks making them legal and allowing them to become citizens later on is not amnesty.  You kind of have to feel sorry for people like this, but I don't want to take full advantage of a person with this level of mental capacity either.

Okay, so she doesn't want to provide amnesty.  And she wants to control the border.  Man, I'm feeling so good about this!!!  Oh wait.

What happens if you allow 20 to 35 million illegal aliens to transition to legal status and then apply for and gain citizenship?  Oh yes, then they can invite over their relatives.  So in six years you get not only 20 to 35 million new citizens, you get the relatives of those citizens too.  Anyone can do the math.  Figure out for yourselves what five five family members apiece is.  And at year twelve, when those relatives become citizens, figure out for yourselves when they bring over five more each.  And at year eighteen, figure out for yourselves when each of those people bring over five more relatives.

That's right, at years six, twelve, and eighteen, we get a new wave of people all made possible by a nice lady who didn't know better who picked up a policy in 2008, and couldn't recognize it for the dangerous nation killing policy it was.  And then you watch as folks glom on to her, and defend this for weeks on end, hurling every insult they can to make themselves feel better.


And then the closing line.  She wants to control the border.  

Let's look at the potential impact of her policy making illegals aliens legal.

20 - 35 million legalized year zero

100 - 175 million first chain immigration wave year six

500 - 875 million second chain immigration wave year twelve

2.5 - 4.375 billion third chain immigration wave year eighteen

Can anyone say, maternity?  Any idea what the implications of that are?   Hospitals, schools, public services...

Hey, but at least the border would be closed.  Wow, we'd sure be safe then.


Are these the figures we should expect?  I don't believe so, but the potential is massive.  What percentage of the full potential would be necessary for this nation to be literally destroyed?

We know the new immigrants from this region vote for the Democrats by roughly 75%.  How many would it take to make the Democrats the clear majority perpetually?  How many would it take to cause the Republican party to fully adopt the Demcorat mindset, to win support?  We're already seeing it.  And yet, some folks think this is one big joke.


    Oh....but The Blue Ink Stain , he knows better. He KNOWS what this means, after all, she says "registration", therefore she must be a closeted full throated leftist who wants to throw our borders open, give amnesty, and give the dems a permanent majority. HE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE, because, after all....he is.....The Blue Ink Stain!!!

The intellectual vacancy, dishonesty, or ineptitude of this individual is sad really.  Nowhere have I stated I think Palin is a Leftist.  I have not accused her of wanting to throw the borders open.  I have said that I think her policy is tantamount to an amnesty, but it's pretty hard to think of it in other terms overall.  And yes, it does have the potential to hand the Demcorats the clear majority in perpetuity.

Folks can reason this for themselves.  They will see if there is a danger here or not.  They will realize that sometimes good people glom on to bad policies in error.  It would not have to mean that Palin was a bad person to implement this policy.  It would only mean that the ramifications would be the same whether her mindest were to help this nation or hurt it.  Personally I think her intent would be to help it, but the results would be the same, a catastrophe for this nation.
 

Seriously, how unhinged do you have to be to actually make that kind of leap. LINK

Well, if folks come to the conclusion I'm unhinged, that's okay with me.  I am explaining what I see as a massive danger.  If others want to take a plass on objecting to Palin's stated policy, they will merely have to endure what comes next after that sort of plan is implemented.

    We've pointed out her pronouncements of the past years and her actions have been diametrically opposed to his blue delusional beliefs since then over and over again, yet he persists in showing off his foolish blue skirts.

Okay, here come the pronouncements again.  Once we've read them, we'll observe what fails to appear in them. (AGAIN)

    1. She came out full broadside multiple times against the dream act.  
NO
    2. She's on record saying both Rubio and Ayotte should be primaried for their support of amnesty and the ensuing chaos of open borders.  NO
    3. She's actually asked Rubio is he's proud of collecting his pieces of silver for his support of illegals, a pretty harsh take down.  
NO
    4. She's the ONLY conservative who fully backed Arizona's attempts to enforce existing immigration law.  
NO
    5. She's the ONLY conservative to actually go to Arizona to show support for the governor on this action.  
NO
    6. She's had several other pronouncements about the GOPE's idiocy in their attempts to deliver amnesty.  
NO
    7. Her most recent take down of Jeb Bush's nonsense about "acts of love" and reminding us that it's ILLEGAL to cross our borders and wrong to take American jobs was classic.  
NO

What do all those nos mean?  What they mean, is that in each instance, there is no direct evidence of what Palin plans to do with Illegal Aliens inside our nation.  It's all a Demcorat's "Smoke and Mirrors" routine.  She said some great things, therefore we need to accept that her policy has changed, even though we haven't one single statement showing she now does not approve of Register and Remain in Place.

Palin actually says she doesn't approve of Amnesty.  She said the same thing in her interviews.  She said it in the same interviews where she stated her policy was to Register illegal aliens and let them Remain in Place.  She never saw this as an amesty in the first place.  So now when she says she doesn't support amnesty, it doesn't mean what this person seeks to convey it means.

None of her above statements no matter how good, and I agree with each one, resolves the issue of her thinking the best plan for illegal aliens on our soil, is to Register them and let them Remain in Place.  So we're right back where we started, one person being able to think logically and coherently as it applies to the issue at hand, and another person who can come up with some of the best subterfuge around, but still not address the actual issue at hand.  


    So...here we are: You can follow The Blue Ink Stain's delusional private beliefs about her "policies". Or: You can have some common sense and realize that She's one of the bright lights in fighting illegal immigration, that she genuinely wants to control the borders, and that she genuinely hates the idea of amnesty.

Perhaps she does hate everyone elses idea of amnesty.  I can't speak for her on that.  When it comes to her own plan that is tantamount to amnesty, provides legal status and pathway, she's all in.

    Your choice.

Sadly for you, it is.  And sadly for you, there's only one conclusion.

So, you can believe a lying Palin-hating obsessive whackjob scum like Doughty, or you can believe objective people, who aren't obsessed with 6-year-old "news".

Hmmm, 2010 to 2014?  Six years?  Really?  Doesn't this begin to remind you of the current administartion and Hillary, declaring that, "Benghazi took place so long ago, who cares?"  "So what?"  "What does it matter?"  "We've already covered this!"

Of one thing I am certain, Palin deserves better defense than this.  Simply provide a statement where she says she no longer favors Registration and Remaining in Place.  It's what I have asked for for weeks now.  That would be defending Palin wisely, to her benefit.

Insulting people for weeks on end because you can't address the issue coherently, is not a defense of her, it's a slander of her.  Using the type of language you have on this thread, is not something that is going to make folks think highly of her.

Oh, and you can also read the original article, which has NOTHING to do with .The Blue Ink Stain's gibbering obsessions, but rather Sarah Palin's "waterboarding terrorists" speech .


Once again, sadly, it has nothing to do with whether she wants to Register Illegal Aliens and let them Remain in Place, thus leagalizing 20 to 35 million of them in a matter of a few months.

If it's a speech, I can say it was good.  If it's a policy, I have to say it was bad and thus the speech meant nothing.

Our nation is on the brink.  What folks do about that will make the difference.  If there's bad policy out there, and there seems to be, it must be changed now.


It is not a lie to say this.  It is not evil to say this.  It is not Leftist to say this.  It is Conservative to say this.

Who wants all these illegal aliens made citizens the most?
 I'm betting it's not Palin, but she better figure it out before it happens.

Now folks can watch and listen to her state her own beliefs as to what should happen to illegal aliens on our soil.


Here's part of her interview with O'Reilly.  I'm not a big fan of O'Reilly, but in this interview she again reinforces her intent to register illegal aliens, and that the expectation is that the illegals who register will work.  This is from 2010, two years after McCain went down to defeat, and the same year Palin endorsed him to remain the Senator from Arizona over Hayworth.  It was also the same year she stood up before a tea party event and assured them McCain was a Tea Party member at heart.
 She hadn't been his running mate for two years.  None the less, she's still hawking the Registration and Remaining in Place.


Just post a link to let us know when she changed her policy.
493 posted on 05/13/2014 12:23:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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