Posted on 04/24/2014 7:38:55 AM PDT by Rusty0604
After Bundy's overtly racist remarks, let's see how far politicians run away from him.
The New York Times has overheard Cliven Bundy—the Nevada rancher who, instead of paying decades of overdue grazing fees, met the Bureau of Land management with guns and a small militia—saying this:
"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.
"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."
Expect every politician to back away from the issue.
"His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him," Sen. Rand Paul said in a statement Thursday morning.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...
First, best post.
Slaves were actually rather expensive, and well taken care of--->in most cases<---, so one can say that in those circumstances, "they" were better off than the current situation described by Bundy regards those sitting at the porch with nothing to do.
However,
That is not the image portrayed, and driven into the public domain, of what slavery was like.
When one refers to slavery in a public forum, one must be aware of the distinction, and the general meaning of the word as it is currently accepted, regardless of what the actual conditions were 200 years ago.
One thing that may come out of this, if played right, is more dialogue on federal slavery, as it exists today.
Because the NYT is such a reliable source....
...they just issued a retraction of their “Russian troops in Ukraine” scoop.
How did NYT reporters ‘overhear’ without recording? I’m awaiting a Bundy statement on this...
Doesn’t matter. If the New York Times said it happened, the sheeple will accept it as gospel.
Break the law all you want and you'll still have supporters. But say just one thing that's politically incorrect....
Occupy Wall Street people were volunteer shock troops for the Democrat Federal Government of Obama, Pelosi, Holder and Schumer.
Reid’s Rustlers were hired shock troops for the Democrat Federal Government of Reid, Obama and Holder.
Occupy Wall Street people attacked businesses in large cities.
Reid’s Rustlers attacked cattle in an isolated Nevada Corral.
Both Occupy Wall Street and Reid’s Rustlers destroyed private property and private jobs.
Both Occupy Wall Street and Reid’s Rustlers were financially supported, (indirectly and directly, respectively), by the Democrat Obama Administration.
Both Occupy Wall Street and Reid’s Rustlers were publicly encouraged by the Democrat Obama Administration, and the Democrat Left Stream Media.
MOVE ON!
FORWARD!
Bundy needs to shut up and move on with his ranching. Next he’ll be facing attempts
to collect fees for grazing. But he says he’ll continue on with his press conferences.
snip.......
He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one
reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in
effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the
prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race.
end snip
I seem to recall Harry Reid commenting on Obama’s lack of a “Negro dialect”.
So the question now is, do racists have rights? And even more importantly, if someone is arbitrarily branded as a racist, do THEY lose THEIR rights?
On Thursday, the State Department was backtracking. Psaki admitted the photograph does not show Russian troops in Ukraine and said it appeared in a “draft version” of a briefing packet released by the State Department.
The sloppy propaganda, however, has not deterred the State Department. Pskai claimed there is enough material to “make a connection between the Russians and the armed militants” in eastern Ukraine.
In other words, false narratives that fit the agenda are still Ok. Even if this is discredited, we'll hear about this all year.
http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/freedom-enough-moynihan-report-americas-struggle-black-family-life-from-lbj-obama-book-review/
Daniel Patrick Moynihan Predicted the Future of the Black Family But Too Few People Actually Listened
The Negro Family: The Case for National Action, the 78-page report written by a then 38-year old Daniel Patrick ‘Pat’ Moynihan, an assistant secretary of labor for policy in the Lyndon B. Johnson administration, was never supposed to see the light of day.
.The Negro Family, which later came to be widely known simply as “The Moynihan Report,” did not even originally have Moynihan’s name on it’s cover–the document was only meant to be distributed to high-ranking members of the Johnson administration in order to spur discussion regarding what policies could be implemented in order to assist the Negro family with the task of fully integrating society. But, Moynihan was also issuing a warning. The Negro family was already suffering rates of familial disintegration, poverty, and out-of-wedlock pregnancy at rates far higher than white families; if something was not done soon, he warned that the problems of lower class blacks (i.e., a “tangle of pathology”) may well become self-perpetuating, if they had not become self-perpetuating already.
To the dismay of many within the Johnson administration, including Moynihan himself, the Report was leaked to the press. Black leaders and leaders were less than impressed with the way that Moynihan described the black family, using language that they felt was overly pessimistic and which blamed the victim instead of blaming the racism of whites. The usage of the phrase “tangle of pathology” to describe the multitude of problems in which lower class blacks were often enmeshed infuriated black leaders. Before the report had even been officially released to the public, articles appeared attempting to call Moynihan’s words and intentions in writing the report into question.
Eleanor Holdmes Norton, civil rights activist, graduate of Yale Law School, and feminist, was one of the few black leaders who agreed with what Moynihan wrote in his report:
As far back as the early 1970′s she had tried unsuccessfully to get civil rights leaders–most of them men–to pay more attention to the needs of black families. Discouraged by the response, she had defended the Moynihan Report to [Ken] Auletta, observing sadly, “that it had to come from a white person tells you about the failure of black leadership.” (Freedom Is Not Enough, author James T. Patterson)
Some black scholars such as Herbert G. Gutman, author of the tome’The Black family in slavery and freedom, 1750-1925′ insisted that although the black family has not come out of slavery unscathed, blacks were “resilient”–black families had retained an extended family structure to support each other and to protect against the vicissitudes of life during slavery and Jim Crow. According to the Gutman, the black family members should be praised for their adaptiveness in response to the conditions of racism. This insistence that there was really nothing wrong with black families–white racism was the real problem–deflected attention away from arguments seeking to create policies to help ‘heal’ the black family; if the black family isn’t broken, then why continue to talk about fixing it?
President Johnson, who was seeking to keep support of the Vietnam war high and needed that support in order to ramp up the war efforts, did not want to simultaneously request funds to divert towards social programs designed to assist the black poor.
And then, in mid-August of 1965, riots erupted in the Watts area of Los Angeles, California. The racial tension in the Watts neighborhood erupted into violence that lasted 6 days until being squashed by the National Guard. Despite the fact that blacks were rioting after a long period of being discriminated against and outright harassed, many white Americans began to see blacks as being ungrateful and unworthy of having their needs assuaged or their complaints addressed.
At the time the report was released, some feminists felt that too much ink was being spent writing about the problems of black men. Why should the focus be on black men when it was black women who–by working low-wage, unskilled, dead-end jobs–were raising children alone in impoverished and often violent surroundings? Moynihan was referring to the black community as being a matriarchy, yet the majority of black women were struggling just to make ends meet.
The black family continued to take a metaphorical beating while everyone was discussing and disagreeing with each other. Drugs became more easily and more widely available with black communities in the 60′s and 70′s, which lead to an increase in crime and problems related to drug addiction. Mass incarceration of black males facilitated the creation of a pseudo-prison culture among young black men.
Finally, decades after the Moynihan Report had been published, black academics, scholars, and other public figures began to speak out about effects of the disintegration of the family on black Americans. Comedian Bill Cosby gave his infamous speech before a meeting of the NAACP about the reckless behavior of lower class blacks. John McWhorter wrote Losing the Race, a book about how blacks were falling further and further behind the rest of society due to their own failure to adapt and acclimate the standards and mores that were allowing all other racial and ethnic groups to improve their standing.
Over 40 years after The Negro Family, all that has happened is talk. The Million Man March, a historic event that was supposed to encourage black men to step up and fully participate in the healing of black families had virtually no effect.
Barack Obama has done nothing directly to help black families, besides giving a few speeches in black churches where he admonishes black men for their failure to be loving husbands and fathers. Obama has talked, but he has done nothing to change policy in any way that would turn the tide on the unraveling of the black family. When 20 children were killed in a mass shooting in Newtowne, CT, the President announced proposals addressing gun control approximately 2 months later. How many black men were killed in Chicago and Detroit last year and yet the President has committed to no efforts to either modify or create new public policy to help black men or black families?
At this point, it remains highly doubtful that there will be a turning of the tide. For the last 40 plus years the trends that Moynihan pointed out, particularly that of rising rates of out-of-wedlock children, have been increasing, not just for blacks but for all Americans, although blacks still have by far the highest rate of out-of-wedlock childbearing. The black family has become ever more fragile, with fewer and fewer black children expected to grow up in a home with 2 parents. And, this at time when family structure is a better predictor of whether or not a child will be successful in life than that child’s race. Children who grow up in a single-parent home are truly the disadvantaged, just like Danial Patrick Moynihan predicted. ____________________________
Looks like this is the reporter they got it from:
Lynnette Curtis, Las Vegas Review- Journal
She won an award:
Cast out of Paiute tribe, disenrolled confront struggles
Reporter Lynnette Curtis charges head first into a feature story about racism. Members of the Paiute tribe are expelling other members because of their “blood quantum,” which sounds like a phrase from the 1940s. Simply, the expelled Paiute members aren’t Paiute enough to other members of their tribe. Curtis shows the division of the tribe’s income drives the issue. The feature moves from ancestral burial grounds to government offices to abandoned buildings where homeless tribe members sleep. Curtis’ well-reported article provides a glimpse of our country that few people ever see.
http://www.nevadapress.com/nevadapress.com/2013_all_awards.html
Well George Zimmerman should be happy today, he’s no longer the most hated man by the Left.
Politicians who are afraid of being viewed as racist for supporting Bundy don’t need to condemn him for his views. Instead, they should just state in clear and unambiguous terms that they support the 13th Amendment and that they are opposed to bringing slavery back.
NYT means it must be verified by video, recording, and non biased source.
that said, pmsnbc will be repeating the big lie.
I am at a liberal site right now questioning if that is even the way he worded it, but at the same time defending the point he was making, as any rational person would.
Well before the comments about blacks the left was slamming him for being a deadbeat who didn’t pay his grazing fees. You can’t win with the Leftist media no matter what you do or say.
Larry Klayman from Freedom Watch has now stepped into this and is representing the Bundy’s. I have been waiting to see when he would show up. I think after his 1:00PM press conference today with state rep Michelle Fiore in attendence its going to be hard to justify another raid on the ranch. This will get back into court.
Something had to have occurred prior that would produce this quip.
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