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Cliven Bundy Just Ruined His Cause
National Journal ^ | 04/24/2014 | Brian Resnick

Posted on 04/24/2014 7:38:55 AM PDT by Rusty0604

After Bundy's overtly racist remarks, let's see how far politicians run away from him.

The New York Times has overheard Cliven Bundy—the Nevada rancher who, instead of paying decades of overdue grazing fees, met the Bureau of Land management with guns and a small militia—saying this:

"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."

Expect every politician to back away from the issue.

"His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him," Sen. Rand Paul said in a statement Thursday morning.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: blm; bundy; bundyracist; bundyranch; clivenbundy; harryreid; hearsay; jumpedtheshark; nevada; newyorktimesbs; racist; randpaul
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To: kabar

No I’m not. It is misspelled.

Are you too proud to admit a mistake?


301 posted on 04/24/2014 3:07:40 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FreedomForce
I agree with you. Conservatives shouldn’t be defending or making excuses for those comments from Bundy no matter how much sympathy and support he deserves on the land rights issue.

This is something of a straw man, there isn't a groundswell of conservatives out there saying that we should bring back slavery. What we do have, on the other hand, is a lot of self-styled Republican "conservatives" who are happy to throw Bundy under the bus and his Constitutional Rights along with him just to prove to liberals how opposed they are to alleged racism.

Which is the greater shame, Bundy's tactless comments, or the actions of Federal Agents against Bundy? The media wants everyone to believe it's the former.

302 posted on 04/24/2014 3:07:53 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: kabar
He is entitled to his own personal opinions and way of expressing them. It should have nothing to do with the issue of his ranch and the BLM.

That's RIGHT. It not only shouldn't have anything to do with the persecution he's endured from the Federal Government, it also DOESN'T have anything to do with it. The question you seem to refuse to address however is, "WHY did HE bring up race as an issue in his case?"

WELL?

I mean you're accusing me of being racist, when I'm not the one that brought up the issue. HE did. When it has nothing to do with why he's being persecuted by the Federal Government.

303 posted on 04/24/2014 3:11:58 PM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

Some FReepers will not even read a message if there is a misspelled word.


304 posted on 04/24/2014 3:47:59 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Maybe Bundy did hurt his cause, I don’t know, but what about the BLM lying about the cattle endangering the turtles that were going to be destroyed anyway?

What happened to the reid and son angle to this story? Did their corruption become a moot point because of an elderly man not thinking before speaking?


305 posted on 04/24/2014 4:27:03 PM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: FourtySeven

I just spent the time listening to it. I expected to hear what you were asserting. I didn’t.

I also just spent the time transcribing it. Just as I went to hit preview, I accidentally hit my back button.

It’s gone now. I don’t have the time to do it again. I challenge you to transcribe it and prove me wrong.

What I was going to write still stands.

If 10:00-21:00 is the damning part of that video, anyone calling him racist, is a racist. Period.

And frankly, his comment about ‘picking cotton’ was a metaphor for those blacks he was describing no knowing how to work. From one point of view it was racist...a biased point of view.

However, I’m told that his statements defending what he said were, well, ‘racist’. I have to take their word for it as the clip won’t play in my browser(s) and I don’t have time to deal with it.

Mocking me for not having the time? Please. You’re sounding like the liberals I argue with. I’m not going to defend myself for doing what I need to do to make a living.

Elitist, you’re sounding. Go ahead: Use your surplus of time, transcribe that video and prove me wrong. The WHOLE THING, or, at least, the 10 minutes I just lost (much to my chagrin). No cherry-picking. No taking out of context.

You claimed what he said in that 10 minutes was RACIST and I listened to it. I wasted that time based on your statements. It WASN’T, save to a racist. Un-PC? Yes. But he’s not running for office, is he?

If you don’t reply next with a transcription, I’m done with you. Don’t bother replying. If you choose to, please wait until the morning; I can always use a little help with my ‘morning constitutional’...


306 posted on 04/24/2014 4:30:24 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: FourtySeven

No.


307 posted on 04/24/2014 4:41:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: FourtySeven
"WHY did HE bring up race as an issue in his case?"

He didn't connect the two except that government is not a benign influence in both cases.

308 posted on 04/24/2014 4:45:51 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Kit cat

No. We need to practice wisdom. Our words are being used against us on a constant basis and, those who would change the culture, are baiting us into using words and phrases that can be used against us.

And we are letting them do this to us.


309 posted on 04/24/2014 5:28:03 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: FourtySeven

“soundbites”...they’re GREAT!

The whole statement needs to be kept in context and you’re post fails at that.


310 posted on 04/24/2014 5:50:35 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian

damn...”you’re” = your...sheesh, glad I’m not a spelling/grammar nazi, I’d be eating my shoe right about now...


311 posted on 04/24/2014 6:01:27 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Exactly. Faux Conservatives like Paul, Beck, Hannity, Krauthammer.They were used like cheap whores by the left and went right along with it.


312 posted on 04/24/2014 8:22:22 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Rusty0604

Placemark


313 posted on 04/24/2014 10:58:30 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Rusty0604

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3148304/posts

HOAX EXPOSED: NYT Edited Version Of Bundy Comments
Pat Dollard.com ^

Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2014 3:37:15 PM by stirrinthepuddin

Watch Bundy explain how we need to keep things from going backwards for blacks, and how the Federal government has created a neo-slave class via entitlement dependency that is so bad it is arguably worse than plantation slavery was.

It is 100% clear that Cliven Bundy is not saying that blacks should be slaves picking cotton, but that the Federal government has created conditions for them so terrible, that their current situation may actually be worse. (If you are person of low intelligence, the fact that that is his point might be too hard for you to understand.) And he’s not blaming blacks for the issues of abortions, and crime and broken families, he’s blaming the Feds.

(Excerpt) Read more at patdollard.com .


314 posted on 04/24/2014 11:01:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: NFHale

True That!


315 posted on 04/25/2014 6:04:28 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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