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To: A_perfect_lady

......”You say I am,” he says over and over, which is a non-answer. He won’t say YES or NO, he plays this little game because if he denies it, he’ll lose his followers, and if he confirms it, he’ll fall prey to his enemies”.....

This is a good place to resolve some of the questions you have if or not Jesus admitted who he was.....remember in every circumstance Jesus is in there are moving parties all around...there’s ‘the crowd’, ‘the deciples’ and then an ‘individual ‘will always come into view ......and it is here Jesus gets personal...

So actually we have a situation where Jesus is being accused by the Jewish leadership before Piolet.... but it’s the implication of their accusation that threatened Pilate.
Their accusation against Jesus consists of two diabolical lies:....He is teaching others to resist the payment of taxes to Rome......He is forming a rebellion to Rome’s authority by declaring himself king.

The implication is that Pilate would be betraying Rome by refusing them. They actually juxtaposed Jesus against Rome despite the fact that Jesus always respected Roman civil authority and taught the people to render unto Caesar that which belongs to Caesar.

Pilate’s first instincts were correct. He knew the whole issue was about spiritual pride. He saw that Jesus somehow threatened their position and false piety.

The word “no” is one of the tools used to defend a personal boundary. We are required by God to say no to evil. He said “no” to their demand upon his authority.
“For he knew it was out of envy that they had handed Jesus over to him.” Matt. 27:18

During this time, Pilate also had a conversation with Jesus recorded by John. Some parts overlapped with the account of Luke.

“Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

“Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”

“Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied.... “It was ‘your’ people and ‘your’ chief priests who handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”

Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. (Note the disengagement from the crowd, had they been his servants they would be fighting piolet) But now my kingdom is from another place.”

“You are a king, then!” said Pilate. Jesus answered,... “You are right in saying I am a king..... In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth..... Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

“What is truth?” Pilate asked. With this he went out again to the Jews and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. “” (John 18:33-38)

Amazingly Jesus is still ministering as He steadily moves toward Roman brutality.....He is perfectly calm speaking candidly and confidently to Pilate, man to man, He adds shape to Pilate’s test and his need. .....It centers on his commitment to truth..... Pilate’s answer,.. “What is truth?”,....which sounds like he is not clear that absolute truth exists....which is unfortunate because he is going back outside ‘to defend Jesus’ before a mob of liars.

......The Jews insisted, “We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God.” When Pilate heard this, he was even’ more afraid’, and he went back inside the palace.

“Where do you come from?” he asked Jesus, but Jesus gave him no answer............(he had already answered this)
“Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”

Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
From then on, Pilate tried to set Jesus free,...... but the Jews kept shouting,.... “If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.” (Therein is Piolet’s delimma.)

“When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”” (Mat. 27:24)

Like all politicians he passed the buck.


440 posted on 04/20/2014 5:13:38 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Wow, that reads like a Hollywood screenplay! Very engaging! But no matter how you parse it, it comes down to this: Jesus would not claim to be the Son of God when he was on trial for his life. Therefore, he was clearly not a willing sacrifice.


444 posted on 04/20/2014 5:37:01 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: caww

I get the feeling that this thread illustrates why cops hate going on a ‘domestic’ run.

When arriving at the scene, and attempting to straighten out the ones fighting, they’ll then unite and pounce on him(her?) for messin’ in THEIR business!


528 posted on 04/21/2014 5:26:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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