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To: prairiebreeze
In the story of Joseph, when Joseph tests the brother’s loyalty and motives by planting a silver cup in Benjamin’s pack, it was Judah who stepped forward to take Benjamin’s punishment (Genesis 44:18-33) Judah’s offer of a substitutionary sacrifice for Benjamin’s life is a picture of what his descendent Jesus would do for all people.

That's fine. But it seems odd that this little story means that, then, the only person capable of being the Salvation of the World must be descended from the guy who covered for his brother over a cup.

It would really help if you, or SOMEONE here, could show me where in the Old Testament there is a clearly stated prophecy that the Messiah would NOT be merely king of the Jews, but would be saving all of humanity from sin and hell. That would really, really be helpful.

246 posted on 04/18/2014 7:27:37 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
That would really, really be helpful.

In what way?

272 posted on 04/18/2014 8:43:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: A_perfect_lady

I will have to be quick with this post. It took all of two seconds to find a list of some of the prophecies concerning Yeshua as Savior to the Gentiles. You could’ve done this for yourself. The problem you give people in trying to answer your question is that they are pretty much put in the position of having to quote the entire Bible for you. Then, you will have to ask them to explain all of it you. ALL OF IT IS WRITTEN OF HIM.

Is that what you’re asking people to do? Even if that were possible, you still have a problem: You have to change your attitude to understand His Word. You won’t get a thing by going to Scripture to try to find stones to throw at other people.

I think you know very well that’s the problem. If you don’t, then you’ve either lied about reading the Bible or didn’t understand anything of it if you did read it. Which is it?

Either way, have a go at the ones listed and satisfy yourself. But know that you must put your pride down before you are going to understand anything. That’s the first step. If you can’t do that, don’t waste your time or the time of anyone else, because there are people sincerely looking for help in the The Word and need other peoples’ time.

Perhaps you will read them and learn from Him. The One Who suffered and died to save YOU. Yes, YOU.

The prophecies also witness that the main role of the Messiah will be to defeat the devil and his powers (Gen. 3:15; Num. 24:17), redeem people from sin and to heal their physical and spiritual illnesses (Ps. 40; Is. 35:5-7, 42:1-12, 50:4 and the 53rd chapter and 61:1-3; Zach. 3:8-9) and to reconcile them with God (Gen. 49:10; Jer. 23:5 and 31:34; Ez. 36:24-27; Dan. 9:24-27; Zach. 13:1); that He will sanctify the faithful (Zach. 6:12), will establish a New Covenant in place of the old (Is. 42:2, 55:3 and 59:20-21; Dan. 9:24-27), and that this covenant will be for eternity (Jer. 31:31; Is. 55:3). The prophets predicted the calling of the Gentiles to the Kingdom of the Messiah (Ps. 72:10; Is. 11:1-11, 43:16-28, 49:6 and 65:1-3), the spreading of faith, beginning with Jerusalem (Is. 2:2), that His spiritual blessings will extend to all humanity (Gen. 22:18, Ps. 132:11; Is. 11:1, 42:1-12 and 54:1-5; Ez. 34:23 and 37:24; Amos 9:11-12; Ag. 2:6-7; Zeph. 3:9, Zach. 9:9-11), and the spiritual bliss of the faithful (Is. 12:3).

Prophecies about the Messianic Kingdom are: cleansing from sin (Is. 59:20-21, Jer. 31:31-34, Eze. 36:24-27, Dan. 9:24-27, Zach. 6:12, 13:1), imparting to the people regarding virtue and purity of heart (Jer. 31:33, Eze. 36:27), the conclusion of the New Testament (Is. 55:3, 59:20-21, Jer. 31:31, Eze. 9:24), abundance of blessings (Is. 35:5, 44:3, 55:3, 59:20-21, Joel 2:28-32, Zach. 12:10-13), the calling of the Gentiles (Ps. 22:28, 72:10-17, Is. 2:2, 11:1-10, 42:1-12, 43:16-28, 49:6, 54:12-14, 65:1-3, Dan. 7:13-14, Aggeus, 2:6-7), the propagation of the Church throughout the world (Is. 42:1-12, 43:16-28, 54:12-14), steadfast and unconquerable (Is. 2:2-3, Dan. 2:44, 7:13, Zach. 9:9-11), the abolishment of evil, suffering (Num. 24:17, Is. 11:1-10), the affirmation of joy (Is. 42:1-12, 54:12-14, 60:1-5,61:1-4), resurrection of the flesh (Job 19:26), the abolishment of death (Is. ch 26, 42:1-12, 61:1-4, Zech. 9:9-11, Osee 13:14), knowledge of God (Is. 2:2-3, 11:1-10, Jer. 31:31-34), triumph of truth and justice (Ps. 72:1-17, 110:1-4, Is. 9:6-7, 11:1-10, ch. 26, Jer. 23:5), the glory of the Triumphant Church (Is. chs. 26-27), comparison of the Messianic Kingdom to the mountain (Ps. 2, Is. 2:2-3, 11:1-10, ch. 26, Dan. 2:35).

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315 posted on 04/19/2014 7:54:56 AM PDT by SouthernClaire (GOD BLESS AMERICA)
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To: A_perfect_lady
That's fine. But it seems odd that this little story means that, then, the only person capable of being the Salvation of the World must be descended from the guy who covered for his brother over a cup

The OT is literally filled with foreshadowing of Jesus Christ. I believe God was pleased with Judah's repentance.

348 posted on 04/19/2014 3:39:45 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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