Posted on 04/16/2014 10:01:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Ohio officials must immediately recognize the same-sex marriages of four couples who sued over the state's gay marriage ban, a federal judge said Wednesday, while staying the broader effects of his ruling to avoid "premature celebration and confusion" in case it's overturned on appeal.
Judge Timothy Black stayed his ruling ordering Ohio to recognize the marriages of gay couples who wed in other states pending appeal in the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati. The appeals process likely will take months.
Had Black not issued the stay, all married gay couples living in Ohio would have been able to immediately begin obtaining the same benefits as any other married couple in the state, including property rights and the right to make some medical decisions for each other.
Black said the stay does not apply to the four couples who filed the February lawsuit that led to the court case and ordered Ohio to immediately list both spouses in each relationship as parents on their children's birth certificates.
In explaining the stay, Black said that although he doesn't think the state's appeal will succeed, there is still a chance the 6th Circuit could overturn his decision.
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And friend, guess what. Reducing the arrogance of government IS the most basic libertarian plank.
You continue to conflate the risks of “too much” liberty with the ills of licentiousness. This would be a valid concern if there was nothing but government to induce people to behave. But if it is that way, it is because the church has gotten flaccid. People don’t care about going to hell right on earth. The church didn’t exercise the power it had in early America through Caesar. It exercised the power through a convincing message.
By getting in bed with Caesar, the church gets spiritually weaker, every single solitary time.
And, friend, if we strike where the iron is hottest and force civil servants (who are sometimes very uncivil) back into the productive marketplace, where they furnish something that is considered worthier of individual spending than pencil pushing in some fortress, then government will regain credibility. THEN the iron for other “morality” issues will become hot again.
That’s the sort of coalition Paul is trying to bring together. But because your own axe is not at the top of his pile, you accuse him of all manner of evil things that are not in evidence and continue in your lies. And that renders YOU weak.
I am pointing out how America got to the point where its government was willing to accept the abomination that we see.
And it got that way through accepting the abominations of pride and greed and coveting for a very prolonged period.
In that way, “mere stealing” is insidious. It creates a false sense of prosperity. It can be forgiven, and the grace of God is such that even material amends may not be needed. But it HAS GOT TO STOP. And that’s one thing that a lot of people can back. If anything the name of the TEA party is too weak... Taxed Enough Already. It should be something like the TWTDM party (Taxed Way Too Damned Much).
In the meantime, bleeding hearts and church charities should be matched up. That was where God wanted bleeding hearts to go in the first place. To be generous with their own funds, their own resources, offering them before the Lord to help the needy better exalt the Lord in their own lives.
Generally, I agree. I think we all agree on the problem of the size of the federal government and taxation.
What the argument seems to revolve around is homosexual “marriage” and abortion. Most conservatives, including myself, feel the Paul’s take too soft of an approach.
We need candidates that are fiscally and socially conservative.
For your consideration, here is a link to a video called 180 which was produced by Ray Comfort and has caused many people to change their minds from abortion-support to pro-life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI
It is 33 minutes long, but I promise you will not regret watching it if you do so attentively.
Ray Comfort uses the ten commandments to help people understand their need for forgiveness and prepare their hearts to receive the Gospel.
I think post 103 just told you off.
“”In the meantime, bleeding hearts and church charities should be matched up. That was where God wanted bleeding hearts to go in the first place. To be generous with their own funds, their own resources, offering them before the Lord to help the needy better exalt the Lord in their own lives.””
In other words, you were just told to keep your “bleeding heart” Christianity at church, and keep it out of your voting, don’t be going against libertarians by opposing abortion and the gay agenda with your conservative politics and candidates. Don’t oppose Rand Paul.
Those who want to push fiscally conservative candidates who are not also socially conservative (along with the GOP-E) will find their candidates do not get the support of those of us who want candidates who are conservative across the board.
We are sick and tired of going along to get along. We have long been the Charlie Brown who repeatedly falls for Lucy’s football trick because we were told that compromise and incremental change would work in our favor. The compromise we see is like the compromise between a bear and a hunter. The hunter gets to be inside a nice, warm fur coat; and the bear get to eat the hunter. It has been a bit one-sided if you ask me.
It is tyranny to give legal protections that sanction homosexual acts so that homosexuals can get custody of children, have the rights to be teachers and child organization leaders, rights to force property owners to rent to two men who are openly homosexual, force business owners to participate in their marriage, etc.
It is tyranny to sanction abortion. It is tyranny to the children who have been robbed of their constitutional and God-given right to life. It is treasonous and a crime against humanity that this is allowed to continue. It is not a state’s rights issue. It is a human rights issue. Those who support these things do not deserve the legal protections of a civilized society as their behavior is no different from the primitive tribes in Africa, South America and Indonesia that practice cannibalism. Just as any other criminal, they do not deserve to take part in a representative government. They deserve the full weight and penalty of a just legal system.
The longer we wait to sweep these things into the dustbin of history, the greater the cost will be to our posterity to secure life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
I, for one, consider our nation’s laws on abortion and homosexual rights to be tyrannical, and would rather see revolution 2 than to accept these things in our society. It has gotten to the point where people are being punished, losing their careers, being harassed and attacked for just expressing their opposition to these things. Perhaps an amicable divorce between the left and right is possible. But I would rather that I and my family and friends die fighting for freedom than live under tyranny. And I think the more likely outcome is that we will win the fight even if the cost is very great. The same was the case with the first revolution.
Economic conservatism is impossible in an America destroyed by libertarian social liberalism.
In America, it is one man one vote, and social liberalism creates more liberal voters who vote only for short term, selfish gains, while at the same time it reduces the number of conservative voters who vote with a vision for the long term economic and freedom health of the nation.
The tyranny of stealing went on a lot longer than these other tyrannies have. I remain of the opinion that this is probably what enabled the government frame of mind that permitted the later tyrannies.
A fat dog or cat is often a very irascible pet in spite of how well it had been fed. It gets full of itself. Slim it down, restrict its rations, and it begins showing the animal equivalent of gratitude again.
Be as dissatisfied with Paul as you wish for treating some social issues too lightly. However I think he has got his finger on the root cause of a lot of evil in government. It was a government that had too much idle and busybody time on its hands. Back that state of affairs out, and its idea that it can do such things as redefine marriage will, I am of the firm opinion, amazingly shrink.
And you continue to believe that the later evils need to be backed out first.
Well we must agree to disagree. I continue to stand on the statement that the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils, and that modern American GOVERNMENT (not private enterprise) is a stellar example of that sort of folly.
What does that even mean?
What in that statement has any relevance as an argument against voting pro-life and pro-marriage, and conservative?
I think your continued reaction tells on your point of view quite strikingly.
God doesn’t even say anything about votes in the bible, except that you shouldn’t “vote for a king.”
And the trouble is, we HAVE voted for a king. That is not Jesus.
Knock yourself out by adding those features if you want, but don’t do it to the exclusion of losing the greed, BIG TIME.
Lose the greed and all else will fall into proportion.
Don’t lose the greed and you will only find yourself with a slippery, irascible government.
Again, what does that even mean, and how did you work in "God" and "Jesus" into voting for abortion and to preserve gay marriage, instead of voting against it?
You have displayed your willful ignorance so strikingly that I simply set forth what I have already said for the view of others, and don’t care what else you might say. Fools and folly. Check the Proverbs.
I don’t support greed, nor does Jim Robinson, nor freerepublic, nor conservatives, we are anti-greed.
And we also manage to vote pro-life and pro-marriage, and conservative, while being anti-greed, why won’t you?
Oh, you don’t support it...
Like Reagan didn’t support it...
Look, whether we like it or not, only Paul has the extreme vision needed. If Cruz took some hints from Paul, then we WOULD have something that would appeal to those who only see the later sins as well as something that would actually do GOOD.
Unlearner, are you starting to see how it works?
Read HiTech’s posts and you will see enough “God”, “Jesus” “proverbs”, “bible” this and that, to fill the religion section of freerepublic, but what is it all being used for?
To oppose the pro-life, pro-marriage, conservatism of freerepublic and of the entire conservative movement of America.
HiTech will drench his posts in the language of Christians in an attempt to defeat them at the polling place, and to dilute their message, and over time, to make their vocabulary meaningless.
You have seen the left do this many times as they form “Evangelical” or “Catholic”, groups to advance liberal, sometimes even anti-God, political agendas.
In this case it is about abortion and gay marriage.
Yes
“The tyranny of stealing went on a lot longer than these other tyrannies have. I remain of the opinion that this is probably what enabled the government frame of mind that permitted the later tyrannies.”
The problem is a lot bigger than “the government”. Our educational institutions, our press and other media, our churches, our businesses, and our culture in general have been complicit with the theft of money and, more importantly, life and liberty.
There is not a purely political solution to the moral problems of our nation, but where voting is concerned there is no conservative victory to be found by waving a white flag and claiming neutrality on issues like homosexual “marriage” or abortion.
As was illustrated in the 180 video I posted the link to, neutrality is an impossible stance that leads to genocide. It did so in Nazi Germany. It is doing so today in America.
“Be as dissatisfied with Paul as you wish for treating some social issues too lightly.”
How about dissatisfied enough not to vote for him if he wins the Republican nomination? While I think Paul may have some good points, there are things I am very disappointed with. I definitely cannot comprehend anyone who identifies as conservative to try to make him the front runner for president. Is that the best you’ve got?
“Back that state of affairs out, and its idea that it can do such things as redefine marriage will, I am of the firm opinion, amazingly shrink.”
As far as I know, Rand Paul still holds the position that the federal government can be neutral on this issue. He says he supports a constitutional amendment banning abortion, but considers it a state’s right issue without one. These are untenable positions. The federal government cannot be neutral when homosexuals demand to serve openly in the military. Abortion was not allowed by a constitutional amendment. It was allowed by a runaway court system. The constitution already protects the right to life.
Even if abortion was an enumerated “right” listed in the constitution, there is a higher law that makes it a crime against humanity. What the Nazi’s did to the Jews (and Christians and others) was perfectly legal. This did not stop them for being tried for these crimes.
Paul may be more conservative than Romney, but that is not a good enough credential. Conservatives are tired of being lured into supporting candidates that are fiscally conservative but not socially. It has gotten us nowhere.
I do agree that the hearts of the people of this nation need to be changed. This will not happen by merely voting. We have to stand up for what is right even when it is not popular.
Did you watch any of the 180 video to which I posted a link?
It is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2KsU_dhwI
This video has caused people who supported abortion to change their minds. It is very powerful.
If you want to change people’s hearts, this is how it is done.
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