Posted on 04/14/2014 12:16:06 AM PDT by MacMattico
I can't cite my sources and I know people on FR have been talking about this all day, but I come from a family of military, fire fighters with law enforcement mixed in. Many of my Twitter followers and Facebook friends are law enforcement. With that said, many of these people are on the side of the Bundy's. I am getting bombarded with posts from retired NY State Troopers, Sheriffs from all over the country and some that I will just say are in or very close to the whole Bundy situation. They are telling me that the BLM's fallback is just a temporary thing and they will be back without warning and with more federal force. They are attempting to alert others to this fact and get their message out. I know them all personally, and the ones in NY are people fighting Cuomo's (un)Safe Act. It's really eery when I'm getting sent messages from who many think are "the enemy" who are on our side, support the Bundy's and say the worst is yet to come, sorry I can't share more.
20,000 Bundy supporters giving $50 each would be enough to pay the demand for grazing fees and would take away the basis whether valid or not for this abominable action by Obama. And make no mistake it is Obama.
But that’s too much to give Obama. There exists a lot less costly way forward.
10.000 Bundy supporters giving $20 each would enable the Bundy family to post a bond in federal court and file for an injunction against BLM and all federal agencies until the case can be made that Bundy’s rights trump federal orders.
The State of Nevada should be enjoined if they are not willing to join the Bundy’s.
The other ranchers in Wyoming that have been put out of business through government overreach can also join the suit as well as ranchers in other states that are similarly affected.
I believe Bundy has a strong case for wrongful action on the part of BLM and all in league or in supervisory capacity over BLM. The tazing itself is enough to sue for tens of millions. This federal action should never have seen the light of day. A court summons to Bundy was the action required, not a 3rd world showdown of force against respected citizenry.
Screw the fee!
Spend that money on ammo.
F’in feds can go to H&!!
Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. This had better be past the point of “buying one’s way out”. I dunno where you are getting this, let’s all pitch in and send money. We are passed that point. Moreover, what next week. We gonna all pitch in for farmers in the San Joaquin Valley? Folks now paying twice as much for health insurance? God knows what Bath House Barry will have us sending money for next week. Are you getting it yet?
No, the smart play is to file for injunction against BLM and all federal agencies.
After the lawsuit is filed, the court docket can be used to run out the clock on Obama.
Post #24.
I’m talking bigger picture. MUCH bigger.
Thanks for the update.
Early morning BUMP!!
I Pray for your enlightenment oh sheltered child.
The courts are stacked and the feds could care less.
No more legal games, it’s time to put up or shut up.
If all those that showed up had stayed at home the Bundy Family would have been torched like the Branch Davidian’s in Mt. Carmel, TX.
The feds are regrouping as we speak, they WILL be back to finish the “job”
A friend of mine was given essentially the same information by a source in Homeland Security. He was also told that the protestors are under intense electronic surveillance.
I no longer trust any govt employe. From janitors at the school to cops and firefighters. They are all takers. Every one of them. They stand up for liberals and progressive by not actively fighting what they are doing to this country.
They sit back and say, "It's the union. There's nothing I can do about it." Which is total BS. They could vote the communist leaders out. They don't. They could run them out on a rail. They don't.
Govt. employees have become leeches. Too afraid to drop off the skin of the taxpayer because their "family relies on their paycheck".
The govt won't take the fee. Bundy has tried. The land has been declared a refuge for a tortise.
> “The courts are stacked and the feds could care less.”
I resent your implying I am unenlightened and a child.
I would respect your view a lot more if you could back your statement above up a bit. But I sense you have no working experience in federal court. Only an attorney with substantial experience in federal court would know if a court case is futile.
Federal judges are rotated within their circuit. I doubt Obama could tie one down.
That was the thought I had, too. It tells me that they're all just playing a game. They didn't have the instincts to understand that this is a core constitutional conservative issue. Instead, them must be there in DC, reading polls and having meetings deciding what to do, and missed an ideal opportunity to stand with US citizens.
I doubt that any of them are on our side. For the political crowd, it's all theater to get our votes.
He can post a smaller bond in federal court and file an injunction.
A federal lawsuit won’t be heard for a year at least and by that time we may see conservative leaders in power over the House and the Senate. A review of BLM practices and policies could ensue and this whole fiasco could be put to bed.
I agree with the poster that said if it were not for large numbers of people grouping around the Bundy family that they would have been torched like what happened at Waco. But the first round here was won by respectable Americans, the next confrontation may not go so well. Hence, the smart play is to get it into court until the pendulum completes its swing in the political arena to the conservative side.
Filing in federal court is the smart play because it shows Bundy respects the rule of law. Americans by and large are supportive of that. Filing also shows Bundy and supporters are willing to put their money where their nouths and guns are.
The desert turtle issue can be put to rest in federal court, The overreach in federal control can be laid bare and the exorbitant federal fees can be examined. Ties of Harry Reid and Chinese solar interests can be examined. All this can be done in court rather that the MSM.
To my knowledge Obama does not control federal circuit courts except for the DC Circuit as a result of Reid’s nuclear appointments. So in my view Bundy should have the upper hand in his region but he must get on the offensive and not sit back and wait.
From what I’ve read Bundy has exhausted his court route. This has been going on for over ten years.
They need to impound Harry Reid.
If there were a single man with any courage at all, this is the speech that that brave man would give:
“In a nation were men raised cattle without government intrusion, rustlers were hung from the nearest tree and not buried. Today, they are elected to the Senate.”
Alas, no brave man exists.
One thing I know for sure is that one can refile when circumstances change. The circumstances are that Harry Reid and his sons are implicated. Also the BLM claims they have federal orders which is not believable as it would be a federal marshal that would execute federal orders, not the BLM.
It is true though that clarity is needed on the past case history.
I would like to know this as well. Your idea has merit, lets get this out in the open.
Truth is, I have had difficulty finding out exactly what is and has gone on in this case.
I’m sorry southern neighbor, I know you mean very well, but from my perspective there only remains one way left.
There won’t be another honest election, if you don’t believe all politicians are to blame except the odd one, I don’t know what to say.
These are very serious times we’re in.
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