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Jesse Winchester, musician and draft-dodger, dead at 69
CBC News ^ | April 11, 2014

Posted on 04/11/2014 8:32:03 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

Jesse Winchester, an American singer-songwriter who moved to Montreal in the 1960s to dodge the Vietnam War draft, died in his sleep Friday morning at the age of 69 after a lengthy illness.

Born in Louisiana and raised in Tennessee, Winchester developed his musical talent while living in Montreal. He often played at a hotel in Morin Heights, Que., run by several Tennessee transplants during the 1970s.

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KEYWORDS: draftdodger; vietnam; winchester
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To: noinfringers2

I had a customer who wrote a book on his Army experiences in the Pacific, and his focus was how the media turned it into a Marine theater, although the Army did the bulk of the fighting.

Many people don’t know that in WWII, the Navy lost more than double the men of the Marine Corps.

WWII wasn’t like the wars since.


41 posted on 04/12/2014 12:50:08 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

Yeah me too. This “masterpiece” is like a B-side of a B-side of a decent artist. And his voice is mediocre at best. J.J. Cale, he aint.


42 posted on 04/12/2014 12:52:21 AM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Amberdawn; boop; GeronL

I fought the draft for two years, beat them, and then enlisted in the Army, as I had wanted to all along.

I was fine with men who opposed the draft, as a young man I saw it as an issue of individual honor to oppose it or not, but it had to be done by a patriot and for sincere reasons (most of us were teens and 20 years old), I would get very aggressive with guys who were dodging the draft as a part of a lack of patriotism, and would flat out confront and demand removal (from social situations) of a guy who was living outside the U.S to avoid prison.

Once I was in, I started to see the scale of the world, and I changed my perspective on the size of things.

I so loved Reagan and his vision, that I went back into military service during the 1980s.


43 posted on 04/12/2014 1:05:57 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: FredZarguna

A draft song by Donovan.
1969 - Donovan - To Susan on the West Coast waiting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNxpI9ZwYFs&feature=kp

A Texas song by Donovan.
Donovan, Remember the Alamo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBup2JAY0EM


44 posted on 04/12/2014 1:37:44 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Chode
never heard of him, but f-em...

The non-acclaim for him is unanimous. He gets a ringing non-endorsement from freepers

45 posted on 04/12/2014 2:00:06 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Sympathies to his family and friends.

Jesse Winchester is one of those people that you hear what a great musician and songwriter he was, from other musicians. However, when I searched for “Jesse Winchester songs” a few minutes ago, the list that came up included only two or three I recognized (recorded by Jimmy Buffett), and only one I kind of liked.


46 posted on 04/12/2014 3:27:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Entropy is high. Wear a hat!)
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To: Amberdawn
75 % of those who fought in Vietnam were volunteers, not draftees.

If even one guy involved in Nam was a draftee, the entire theory of the thing is invalidated. Where is the logic of sending an American slave army or even an American army in which 25% of the soldiers are slaves, to fight for somebody else's freedom??

47 posted on 04/12/2014 3:36:00 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: noinfringers2

WW-II, in my view, was the one conflict in the last century for which a US draft could have been justified and you have to note that a draft was not needed for WW-II, at least not for combat roles. WW-II was a gigantic logistics push operation in which only some small percentage of those in uniform were ever involved in combat.


48 posted on 04/12/2014 3:48:11 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: onedoug; noinfringers2

For Combat Veterans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9TNG8IQNI&feature=related


49 posted on 04/12/2014 4:37:37 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: onedoug

I’m a Vietnam vet & I thank you for your service.

No pity for draft dodgers in this corner. Still disgusting to think we had one for prez.


50 posted on 04/12/2014 5:37:36 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: Liberty Valance

We saw Winchester perform a couple of years ago. He opened for another act. I really enjoyed his show.

BTW, I don’t hold his conscience against him.


51 posted on 04/12/2014 5:43:18 AM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: ConservativeStatement

He is/was a great songwriter though. Jimmy Buffett does a lot of his stuff.


52 posted on 04/12/2014 6:05:21 AM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do anything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: dennisw
100%, and the article doesn't even list anything this mutt ever did... feh
53 posted on 04/12/2014 6:18:39 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Rembrandt
Charlie Rangel (D-NYC) keeps trying, over and over, to reinstate the draft.

In 2004, the Democrats were pushing the meme that Boosh was "trying to bring back the draft" (literally MTV Viacom was breaking into programming to present "headlines" about this). The only bills to bring back the draft were completely authored by Democrats (in both the House and Senate). Someone tried bringing them to the floor and the Democrat authors even voted against their own bill.

54 posted on 04/12/2014 8:48:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: stranger and pilgrim
Winchester was respected by a local boy here and that carries a lot of weight. Mac McAnnaly recorded a great many of his songs and performed them. I don't blame Winchester for leaving Memphis as it had become a hell hole, even in the 1960's.

I don't agree with his draft dodging but could not ignore his talent. May he RIP without pain as bladder cancer is a painful way to go.

55 posted on 04/12/2014 8:51:52 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: varmintman

Honor and treaties have little to do with cold, rational logic. My Dad didn’t consider himself a slave for being drafted; perhaps he was suffering from false consciousness.


56 posted on 04/12/2014 10:54:45 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: ansel12

Let’s be factual about the Marines’ activities in the fighting in the Pacific in WWII. Those Marines were a very vital part of our winning the war there with their many self sufficient battles. However, I tend to believe the Marines would have it that the many more Army divisions involved were just window dressing as is typical Marine gung-ho stuff. I had an older step brother who was a career Marine going back to the first China-Japan conflicts. When he visited us before WWII he was always spit-and-polish. He did survive WWII. I stand by the sacrifices of all ,the Navy, Marines and Army(including then Air Force) as being of ( The Finest Generation).


57 posted on 04/12/2014 12:06:08 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: noinfringers2

The Army did most of the fighting in the Pacific, in fact Army losses in the Pacific are almost exactly the same as the total WWII loses for the Navy and Marines combined, and the global WWII Navy losses were about double of the Marines.

The Army was also using their Indian “Windtalkers” as radio men, in the Pacific, North Africa, and Europe, the Army had invented the concept in WWI.

The media has created a distorted view of the Pacific war.


58 posted on 04/12/2014 3:23:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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