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IBM mainframe, tech’s ‘dinosaur,’ turns 50
Market Watch ^ | 04/11/2014 | By Benjamin Pimentel

Posted on 04/11/2014 2:02:45 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

The IBM mainframe, the drab-looking refrigerator-size machine that was once the symbol of computer technology, turned 50 this week. It’s been portrayed as a technology dinosaur, out of place in an era where computing is about being small, fast and mobile. But in half a century, the mainframe has remained one of IBM’s IBM-0.02% most successful flagship products. In fact, a decade ago when the mainframe celebrated its 40th year, Big Blue even embraced the ‘dinosaur’ label, unveiling the latest version with a catchy, defiant code name: ‘T-Rex.’

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To: AngelesCrestHighway

My first job in IT was as an operator on a IBM VSE system back in the late 80s. Punch cards & reel to reels, dumb terminals... fun stuff.


21 posted on 04/11/2014 3:07:29 PM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: All
RE: IBM 7080 160K bytes of core

That should be 160,000 not 160K. 7080 was a 8-bit byte machine before IBM introduced their 16-bit byte sexadecimal machines -- which IBM called hexadecimal.

22 posted on 04/11/2014 3:13:14 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Real mainframes required plumbing. The refrigerator sized mainframes are air cooled.

Western civilization runs on MVS.

23 posted on 04/11/2014 3:21:40 PM PDT by Senator_Blutarski
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To: freedumb2003

And the brutish 1419 MICR reader/sorter for those in bank DP. Goodness but I had a love/hate relationship with those suckers.


24 posted on 04/11/2014 3:22:52 PM PDT by Proud_texan (Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then. - PK Dick)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I see the staff overseeing these computers haven't changed a bit.

25 posted on 04/11/2014 3:25:51 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Secret Agent Man
Floor sort, now I never heard of that so I guess it's a regional thing. Cobol is what finally got the better of me. I was supposed to modify a program my boss wrote, and I did not understand his logic. I didn't need flow charts generally for my own work.

Those dates were Julian so they could be used mathematically. Somebody encouraged me to get on the y2k Cobol bandwagon but I didn't want the repsonnsibility if I got an airline app, etc.

I guess I don't miss it either. I'm not that brilliant and had to struggle, was always tense that something would happen I couldn't figure out. I did like the mental challenge sometimes though. I did solve some hard problems sometimes.

26 posted on 04/11/2014 3:28:26 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: EQAndyBuzz

>>Hey! I was an AS/400 SME. Lay off the old girl. She did everything well.<<

IBM marketed the AS/400 as a departmental computer that can e run by the average secretary.

I assume you were not an average secretary? ;)

OS/400 was part of SAA until it wasn’t... ;);)


27 posted on 04/11/2014 3:36:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: freedumb2003

A dept secretary who could code in RPG. What a nightmare.

My previous job was converting a client-server system back to mainframe COBOL/CICS/IDMS for a recognizable jean company. That was 1998.
I code Groovy/Grails apps now but I still have to maintain C and COBOL programs.


28 posted on 04/11/2014 3:42:15 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Aliska

Kinda miss some of it but time moves on.


So it was you that caused the y2k bug! : )
You were in a hurry and decided to leave off the 2 digits....


29 posted on 04/11/2014 3:54:22 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Geeezz, there were IBM machines before the 360. I was 19 when I cut my teeth on the IBM 650 with a RAMAC (very large disk drive with 3 moving arms) that would almost walk across the floor when it was sorting. Wrote code in SOAP.

And after that were the very popular 1401 and 1440 on which we wrote Autocoder. The banking industry loved those machines!! Well, back in the 60s that is. It was kinda fun to literally know how the insides of a machine worked in order to write code. Moved on to the GE 635 and COBOL and left the IBM stuff behind.


30 posted on 04/11/2014 4:01:07 PM PDT by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: freedumb2003

No not the average secretary. I was on the product team that worked on putting a wintel server in the 400. We ran our financials and inventory management system off of them. Later on we used the RS6000 as our logistics platform and passed data to the 400.

Actually easy for a secretary to run providing all she did was print reporrts and add users. I managed close to 100 of them over a global network so it was a tad more complicated.

I miss the good ole days of LU 6.2 and 5250 emulation. Running everything off of twinax and later on token ring.


31 posted on 04/11/2014 4:02:32 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: minnesota_bound
No I did not because most apps already had the Julian in the code; I just did maintenance.

Realistically, all those systems were outmoded well before y2k but I guess they didn't have the foresight to write a routine to span the two centuries just as a matter of prodence. New systems evolved from the old so some code just got copied and expanded.

Sometimes I was in a hurry though to get out of there; you are right about that.

So much I have forgotten. Some I want to forget. I miss my Hollerith code then. And I liked to do my own keypunching from the code sheets because I could unwind a little . . .

32 posted on 04/11/2014 4:03:09 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Reminds me of how Ross Perot brilliantly LEASED surplus IBM mainframe time at a discount to make BILLIONS processing Medicare payments for Uncle Sam, and sold the company for $2.4 billion. IBM thought he was nuts (just as they could have bought Microsoft for a song).


33 posted on 04/11/2014 4:14:09 PM PDT by montag813
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To: wally_bert

NASA acquired at least a dozen different systems over the years ,, all sorts of hardware and os’s ... the last contact I had with them in the mid 1990’s they were finally getting rid of 40 year old hardware and putting all the legacy systems on a IBM 3090 running CMS/VM with each one being it’s own virtual machine ... The systems still cannot talk to each other but at least the hardware stays up.


34 posted on 04/11/2014 5:20:24 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (I used to be disgusted , now I try to be amused.)
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To: freedumb2003

“JES2, JCL, TOS, ISPF, Hex Dumps”

The ones with the pedal digit?


35 posted on 04/11/2014 5:54:09 PM PDT by Slambat
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To: freedumb2003
Don't forget the "Green Card," the quick reference booklet... My "Green Card" was actually a System 370 version, and even though it was yellow, it was still the "Green Card!"

And LOTS of rubber bands... It only took 1 dropped card deck to realize you NEVER walk across the room without the deck being rubber-banded!

Mark

36 posted on 04/11/2014 6:12:59 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
It is nice to know there are people who understand the term “floor sort” still around....we know it related to punched cards. Others,not so much.

I had completely forgotten that term! I did a "floor sort" once. From that time on, I had to be sure I had all the rubber bands out of my pockets before I washed my pants! Never moved another deck unless it was rubber-banded!

Mark

37 posted on 04/11/2014 6:17:54 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: All

I have to correct my errors.. the 7080 was a 6-bit byte (ASCII) machine. Later IBM introduced their 8-bit byte sexadecimal machines (IBM used the word hexidecimal). IIRC each version contained an extra bit called a parity bit.


38 posted on 04/11/2014 7:52:13 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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