Posted on 04/11/2014 9:32:51 AM PDT by tcrlaf
Just after a deadline set by Kiev for protesters in eastern Ukraine to vacate seized buildings expired, Parliament-appointed PM Arseny Yatsenyuk pledged to push through a law allowing regional referendums in the country.
Holding referendums on the status of their respective regions was among the main demands posed by anti-Maidan activists, who have taken over a number of governmental buildings in eastern Ukraine this week.
Ukrainian law currently does not allow regions to hold referendums separately from the rest of the country. It was one of the main arguments Kiev voiced in declaring illegal last month’s referendum in Crimea, which ended with the peninsula’s seceding from Ukraine and joining Russia.
Speaking in Donetsk, one of the regions engulfed by the anti-Kiev protests, Yatsenyuk said his government wants greater autonomy for Ukrainian regions, including the abolition of the offices of capital-appointed governors.
He was speaking just as a 48-hour deadline, which Kiev gave to protesters to liberate the seized buildings, expired. Previously the central authorities threatened to use force, including that of the military and even threatened their opponents as terrorists, unless they withdrew from the buildings.
(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...
This confirms it: "The U-turn comes after Ukraine’s elite Alpha unit reportedly refused to obey an order to besiege protester-held buildings. At a session of law enforcement officials in Donetsk, one of the Alpha commanders said that he and his men are a force intended for rescuing hostages and fighting terrorism and will only act in accordance with the law, local media reported. "
Ukraine is only half a country. Yes, the international community gave it borders, but like Iraq, it was an agglomeration of different peoples and regions, with different cultural attachments. They had 20 years to build their identity, independence and strength, but its “leaders” spent the time looting the country. It seems the so-called Ukraine military isn’t even able to know when it should fight.
Looks like the propaganda is yours.
I think we will learn that there has been nothing but propaganda coming out of that area. And not all of it from Russia.
I am always entertained by how one min, people curse the MSM as frauds with their dying breaths, but suddenly, eat up everything they are shoveling when it fits their preconceived ideas.
The dealine passed. The building wasn’t stormed. The police commander is ON TAPE saying he also refused to attack.
How do you counter that?
“The unconfirmed act of defiance...” is RT’s choice of words, not mine.
“but like Iraq, it was an agglomeration of different peoples and regions, with different cultural attachments.”
During the Soviet years, Ukraine was “given” more territory to control than they had during the tsarist times, to help keep them pacified.
“I think we will learn that there has been nothing but propaganda coming out of that area. And not all of it from Russia.”
Agreed, but more importantly, it seems, is that the coup government in Kiev is making grand pronouncements, that the people in the field are simply ignoring. They made a big deal out of the 48 hour deadline, only to have Yat-whatever fold, and offer big concessions, when his military refused to cooperate.
Excellent observation.
It seems to me in all this there are a significant number on both sides and a big chunk WANT to go back to Russia/reject the EU.
The media push is all “Evil Empire!” but if this was “Solely” outsider Russia trying to recoup lost land, why is it that there are so many within said land cool with it?
On the other hand, There are plenty who want the EU/western whatever. But it seems like the Ukrainians are not fully ready to go civil war over it.
The best thing for us to do is stay the hell out of their affairs. But I suspect ‘we’ had a lot to do with the issue to begin with.
It should work both ways, but for the Russians, it apparently doesn’t.
“But I suspect ‘we’ had a lot to do with the issue to begin with.”
Yep...
After the Syria embarrassment, they saw the already existing unrest in Ukraine as the way to “get back” at Putin, and poured tons of money into Right-Sector and the OS NGO’s to destabilize it. There are State Department people on caught on tape talking about it.
Instead of making it uncomfortable for Putin, they handed him a golden opportunity on a silver platter.
” On the other hand, RT consistently lies. I call BS. As usual.”
Most likely..
But, the buildings are still occupied, and the deadline is long past. The initial reports of refusal didn’t come from RT, but from numerous Twitters in the area. RT was about two hours late to the game.
How do you resolve this?
Indeed. And that is exactly why all the hyperpatriots armchair quarterbacking this thing on the web look so foolish. Had our lovely State Dept under Obama leadership, with backing from the McCain/Grhamm wing of the rinos not stuck our noses where they had no business, the Ukraine situation never would have happened as it did...if at all.
Horse manure, there is plenty of Russian MSM that is unfriendly and critical of Putin while claiming love for Russia.
The American Mainstream Media is far more fawning to Obama in comparison.
Further, the Russian media that goes after Putin are the old time Communist and the current big time Communists, the Russian left, and are closely associated with the Western MSM.
Maybe you could cite some examples in the original Russian.
Twitters in the area? Surely reliable source.
One other reason for calling it BS: the same unit liberated SBU office in Lugansk just a couple of days ago. Plus there are lots of other special purpose units ready for the task.
The only reason that the buildings are not stormed yet is that there is still a chance to end this peacefully. Terrorists are even offered amnesty if they lay down weapons and leave.
As much as I would love to see the terrorists be made an example of, peace beats war in Ukrainian officials’ minds.
Its a positive step in the right direction. Kiev is finally realizing the country needs to move in the direction of federalism - with full autonomy for ALL the country’s regions, guarantees of language equality and full guarantee of minority rights.
The situation cannot be resolved through the use of force but ultimately through political dialogue. The country is waiting for clear answers from Kiev on these questions. Crimea is already lost but the rest of the country can be preserved. The only way out is if all the ethnic and political forces in Ukraine unite. This is in every one’s interests.
It was more symbolic than anything, Moscow still called the shots.
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