Posted on 04/08/2014 11:51:45 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae
Virus definitions for MSE will continue to be provided until about June of 2015. It's the active malware detection that's lost support as of today. It will continue to function as an antivirus tool, but that's after-the-fact protection. It's upfront malware protection saves your butt most of the time. For example, if cryptolocker isn't stopped before it encrypts your files, running an anti-virus afterward won't do you any good. That's the real security problem with a compromised, non-supported MSE.
The new security software for Win 8 and 8.1 is a new *Windows Defender*, seems to work pretty good and is supposedly better than MSE.
Fundamentally, Windows Defender in Windows 8 & 8.1 IS MSE with a different name, so, other than it being fully-supported, there's no reasonable expectation that it would be vastly superior to MSE.
Read the last four words......they are "in a virtual machine".
What I posted said zip about keeping the full/original OS's, it was completely about versions designed to run specifically in a VM. It could be that the "old OS" would ONLY run in a very specific VM, tailored for that purpose.
I have an older version of IronCAD which will only run on XP. An upgraded version compatible with Win 7 would set me back $3,769.
That ain't gonna happen!
They’d still need patches and support. Things break. The things that run in VMs ARE full/ original OSes, really in most VM environments you can point them at a disk and install them. Rewriting dead OSes that they don’t want to support anymore as VM onlyware would be a waste of time.
I don’t understand the hugh and cry on this. It’s a 13 OS, we’ve known for years the EOL was coming, everybody who wanted to keep using it had plenty of time to get prepped. People didn’t freak out when 3.1 got EOLed, nobody cared when it was 95’s turn, or 98. Why is XP’s death this great tragedy? You’ve had time to deal with this day, nobody’s fault but your if you didn’t.
Old operating systems never die, they just get replaced
“resources used to support XP are needed for supporting current and future products.”
It is about profit in a world that isn’t as profitable for MS, so yeah. It is a forced upgrade.
From what I read, it combined with the latest Win IE makes it a better anti-virus program than MSE...............According to Microsoft :)
No Windows 8 has big problems.
Not for the person who has a million dollar instrument that is being controlled by specialty software that ONLY RUNS on a specific version of the Windows OS. This problem is currently only solvable by buying a new PC specifically built to run the older OS.
It has zip to do with "XP" or any other version. This would offer those customers a different way forward, and allow them use any modern hardware and still control their very expensive equipment.
And it would give them a major "leg up" over Apple, whose attitude toward backward compatibility has always been "tuff titty".
so profit is bad now?
“so profit is bad now?”
Forced obsolescence to create profit, even though consumers don’t see enough value to upgrade.
cars forced horse drawn buggies to become obsolete, so that too was forced so that Henry Ford could profit.
why bother busting one’s ass to build a car or an OS if not for profit? you don’t have to have a computer, there are still pens and paper. no one is forcing anyone to buy a computer.
Windoze 8/8.1 finally pushed me over the edge and I bought a Mac. The machine with Win 8 got overwritten with Ubuntu.
Trust me, I feel your pain. I still PC game, but my kids use a PS/4.
“cars forced horse drawn buggies to become obsolete, so that too was forced so that Henry Ford could profit.”
Buggies are still made and sold profitably today. I’m surrounded by them in Amish country. Good try.
“no one is forcing anyone to buy a computer.”
in this instance, they already own a computer and already own XP. Good try.
No actually there’s MANY way to solve the problem. First and foremost make the company that makes the software fix their damn software, there is simply no valid excuse for software to not be able to run on more current OSes than XP, Vista has been out 7 years they have more than enough time to behave like professionals. Another is VMs, Windows 7 Ultimate comes with XP VM free in the OS just turn it on no new licenses needed, plus there’s tons of other ways to run VMs of old OSes (really if you’ve got the disk and a license you can just go), if this specialty software won’t work in VM then again that company needs to act like professionals the VM revolution is older than Vista.
The customers already have a way forward. They’ve known this day is coming for the better part of a decade. George Bush was in the White House XP’s replacement was announced and the first EOL schedule came with it, a schedule that’s been pushed back. Anybody finding themselves between a rock and hardplace now PUT themselves there with years of not bothering to plan for their own future.
Which comment basically shows that you are totally ignorant on the subject. One example....Agilent Gas Chromatographs are used in literally thousands of labs. Agilent "death-marks" their equipment just like M'soft currently does, but far sooner that the real service life of the GC Hardware, and they WILL NOT upgrade their software. Their reply is "tuff titty"....just buy a new chromatograph.
"Another is VMs, Windows 7 Ultimate comes with XP VM free in the OS just turn it on no new licenses needed, plus there’s tons of other ways to run VMs of old OSes (really if you’ve got the disk and a license you can just go), if this specialty software won’t work in VM then again that company needs to act like professionals the VM revolution is older than Vista.
And my recommendation is simply an expansion of this out to other Windows versions. I don't see how what I am suggesting is all that different from the "Window 7/XPVM" route already taken by M'Soft.
"The customers already have a way forward. They’ve known this day is coming for the better part of a decade. George Bush was in the White House XP’s replacement was announced and the first EOL schedule came with it, a schedule that’s been pushed back. Anybody finding themselves between a rock and hardplace now PUT themselves there with years of not bothering to plan for their own future.
The problem is that, despite your protestations, the customers do NOT have a way forward, or at least not without huge hassle. This is something M'soft has already done, just broadened out. It offers a standardized, "one stop shop" solution to a widespread problem.
I work in the software industry. If they won’t update their software to work on the new OSes then they’re doomed. Now they might not update old versions for it, but they’re going to have to make SOME version do it. Which, according to this link: https://www.chem.agilent.com/Library/usermanuals/Public/G2170-90235_Upgrade-to-B0403_ENG.pdf , they have done. Now if you don’t want to upgrade that’s on you. But software that works on the new OSes exist. So now the choice is yours, stay on the old software and the old OS or upgrade both.
It’s already expanded if you’re willing to do the effort. With various VM tools you can install ANY OS on top of ANY OTHER OS. There’s no reason for MS to do it, resurrecting 20 year old OSes has no margin.
They DO have a way forward. You just think it’s too much work. Which is a valid decision, but not MS’s problem. You’ve got 3 options:
hoard license and equipment to stay on XP machines with XP forever
get better equipment that can run VMs of XP forever
buy new machines and put new OSes on them
It isn’t a widespread problem. If there was a large group unwilling to follow any of those 3 paths it would be profitable for MS to offer a 4th. There isn’t, so they didn’t.
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