Dear Anti-Vaxxers: You Want Pure Nature? OK, Die Young.

Time ^ | April 2 | Jeffrey Kluger

[Hojczyk]

None of the New York parents who are refusing to vaccinate their children today were around the city in the summer of 1916, which is good for them and good for any of the kids they might have had. It was in that summer that 27,000 children nationwide were struck by a polio outbreak, 9,300 of them in New York. Of those 9,300 victims, 2,700 died. The Salk family at 116th St. and Madison Ave. escaped the scourge, meaning that their two-year-old son Jonas was spared. History notes that when he grew up, he had a little score-settling to do with the poliovirus.

Parents who oppose vaccines are not only misinformed, they’re spoiled, having grown up in a world that stands behind the berms built by the scientists and vaccine developers who came before them. If you’ve never seen measles — or polio or whooping cough or mumps — you have the luxury of believing they don’t exist.

“We live in a very healthy community,” said one of the sublimely glib doctors cited in the Mother Jones story. “The incidence of these diseases are very low, not only here but nationwide. And so it’s safe to do a modified vaccine schedule, in my opinion.”

But the incidence of these diseases is very low precisely because most doctors and parents don’t think the way you do and do vaccinate on schedule. “We live in a very dry community,” the doctor might as well have said. “So it’s safe not to maintain the levees and flood walls that have protected us until now, in my opinion.”

And so you drown; and so unvaccinated children get sick. The words “in my opinion” are not themselves some kind of rhetorical vaccine. They can, instead, be the pathogen. Like all pathogens, they can kill.

[sagar]

Not everything is 100% in life, Einstein. So, like everything else in life, a vaccine reduces chance of diseases. If enough people like you don’t vaccinate, it increases the risk pool for the rest of us. Until we breath separate air and inhabit separate earth, the risk gets shared regardless of whether you want it or not.

That being said, remaining un-vaccinated is your prerogative, but don’t come expecting rest of us to bear the burden of your bad choice. When I see a diseased polio kid around my vaccinated kid, should I not protect my kid by any means necessary?

[Eric Pode of Croydon]

It was a joke, son.....

[Balding_Eagle]

LOL! Nicely done.

[Morpheus2009]

Vaccines aren’t neccessarily 100 percent effective. There’s information to be sought on each one.

[Black Agnes]

Do what you feel you have to.

[Jarhead9297]

Im with you...im 39 and never in my life had gotten the flu vaccine. In fact this year bragged to my boys about it. Should have listened to him. I came down with H1N1 and thought I was going to die, the worst I’ve ever felt. Ill be getting one every year now.

[Black Agnes]

You realize that pertussis has mutated around the strain used in the vaccines:

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/15/8/08-1511_article.htm

“Our results underline the importance of Ptx in transmission, suggest that vaccination may select for increased virulence, and indicate ways to control pertussis more effectively.”

[Yaelle]

So it is a grey “science” at best. And makes a ton of $ for the manufacturers. Interesting to note that the last head of the CDC, Nancy Cox, when she left, went to head up Merck’s vaccine division. Nice revolving door.

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Wow, kind of sick.

Hey, we’re on the same side for once, LJ. :)

I had both a vaccinated and unvaccinated child get the chicken pox during a local outbreak (most of the kids that caught it were vaccinated, by the way). Purely anecdotal, but here is how it went: the unvaccinated child got cold symptoms for one day. Mild cold symptoms. Then the pox came out. The first or second night, he was very uncomfortable. After that, he was mostly low key and playing, though he had hundreds of pox everywhere. The vaccinated child only got about 10-15 pox, mostly on his trunk. But he was sick with fever and in bed for a full week, too sick to even get up for more than bathroom. I don’t know what that was worth, but interesting. Less pox but more sick.

[Black Agnes]

I currently know of 5 families whose kids are completely unvaccinated. 4 of those are the children of MD’s.

10+ years ago I didn’t know of any anti-vax MD’s. I know of 5 now, 4 of those with kids young enough to be subject to the schedule.

[Yaelle]

How could she receive one vaccine at a time? I’d do that. Sadly, they are grouped with three in each, some. Dtap = diphtheria! tetanus! and pertussis in one. MMR= measles, mumps, Rubella.

[Valpal1]

I should have said increased age at first birth. It’s a simple matter of demographic progression. As a population ages, the rate of age related diseases increases.

If the age of first birth increases (as it has), then age related birth problems will also increase.

It is also true that having “simple” members of the family was far more common (and accepted) in previous eras. Our society no longer accepts that idea willingly, partly because if you are going to limit your offspring to two, you want them to be perfect and partly because feminist culture doesn’t want to admit that certain choices have predictable consequences.

[little jeremiah]

This is a good read. I'd copy some but I have no idea how to copy it with formatting intact and it's unreadable without it, I've tried. Tells exactly what is in every vaccine, including various brands of flu. I'll copy some of the flu vx ingredients.

Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary Excipients Included in U.S. Vaccines, by Vaccine

Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary
Excipients Included in U.S. Vaccines, by Vaccine

Influenza (Afluria)
betapropiolactone, thimerosol (multi-dose vials only), monobasic sodium phosphate, dibasic sodium phosphate, monobasic potassium phosphate, potassium chloride, calcium chloride, sodium taurodeoxycholate, neomycin sulfate, polymyxin B, egg protein, sucrose

Influenza (Agriflu)
egg proteins, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, cetyltrimethylammonium bromide, neomycin sulfate, kanamycin

Influenza (Fluarix)
octoxynol 10 (Triton X100), α tocopheryl hydrogen succinate, polysorbate 80 (Tween 80), hydrocortisone, gentamicin sulfate,ovalbumin, formaldehyde, sodium deoxycholate, sucrose, phosphate buffer

Influenza (Flublok)
monobasic sodium phosphate, dibasic sodium phosphate, polysorbate20, baculovirus and host cell proteins,baculovirus and cellular DNA, Triton X 100, lipids, vitamins, amino acids, mineral salts

Influenza (Flucelvax)
Madin Darby Canine Kidney (MDCK) cell protein, MDCK cell DNA,polysorbate 80, cetyltrimethlyammonium bromide, propiolactone,phosphate buffer

Influenza (Fluvirin)
nonylphenol ethoxylate, thimerosal (multidose vial – trace only in prefilled syringe), polymyxin, neomycin, beta - propiolactone, egg proteins, phosphate buffer

Influenza (Fluzone Standard, High Dose, & Intradermal
formaldehyde, octylphenol ethoxylate (Triton X 100), gelatin (standard trivalent formulation only), thimerosal (multi-dose vial only) , egg protein, phosphate buffers, sucrose

Influenza (FluMist)
ethylene diamine tetraacetic acid (EDTA),monosodium glutamate, hydrolyzed porcine gelatin, arginine, sucrose, dibasic potassium phosphate, monobasic potassium phosphate, gentamicin sulfate , egg protein

[CodeToad]

Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

They forget that even the measles were a major killer just a few years ago, yet, they petition everyone not to get the measles vaccine now.

It is just plain mean that they got past various diseases years ago but demand everyone else take chances with their children and lives now.

[Black Agnes]

“I should have said increased age at first birth.”

What difference would that make if the ‘difference’ weren’t itself environmental in origin?

[Talisker]

Your lack of logic is laughable. You’re openly admiring your vaccines don’t work, you admit they wouldn’t protect everyone even if everyone was vaccinated, you fantasize that the risk of infection increases through non-vaccination rather than actually infected people (who you admit pose a risk even to those vaccinated), you claim the right to do “anything” to protect your children while denying that same right to people who refuse vaccinations in order to protect their children, you claim intelligence for quoting pro-vaccination MDs and accuse idiocy against those who quote anti-vaccination MDs, you completely ignore unregulated foreign lack of quality control, you deny the massive assault on a newborn’s immune system, you reject any impact of known poisons in adjuvants, and you dismiss massive actual testimony from parents about the clear damage their children showed after vaccinations as lies, ignorance or statistically acceptable results. And to top it off, you want to use guns to force everyone into your same level of completely unguaranteed vaccination while utterly ignoring the massive pharmaceutical profit margin.

LOL, given that your position directly endangers hundreds of millions of lives, I have a hard time even seeing you as human!

[little jeremiah]

We probably agree on more than we disagree.

[CodeToad]

“autism epidemic began.”

First off, I don’t believe in the autism scare, and that comes from an entire family of medical practitioners. Every kid that doesn’t sit still like a total zombie is considered “autistic”. It comes from adults that don’t like children and want them to just shut up or go away. Children are not allowed to play and be the hyperactive kids they are supposed to be. These so-called adults forgot they were children once and ran around and didn’t pay attention, either. These adults just want little miniature adults instead of children.

[Black Agnes]

Ok. Riddle me this. Most of us over the age of 20 have zero measles titer at this point. Vax immunity lasts 10 years at most. Since that means that most of the current population isn’t immune to measles, where are the measles pandemics.

[windcliff]

Actually a nun did die of Aids. She got it through a blood transfusion.

[Black Agnes]

Those medical practitioners aren’t around roomfuls of kids all day every day. Appointments are 15m max.

Talk to people who are in their 70’s who taught elementary school 50 years ago. Like my mom. She taught 3rd grade from 64-93. There were always little boys who had ants in their pants. And spankings in our area haven’t decreased. I joke that we live in ‘lower spanklandia’. From 93 until a couple of years ago however, my mom wasn’t around a whole lot of little kids. Then she volunteered to teach VBS when my oldest was old enough. My mom was horrified that NONE of the little boys make eye contact now without direct verbal admonition from an adult. That creeped her out no end. That’s a ‘Y’ chromosome ‘confrontational’ thing. The ‘bad’ little boys in her classrooms always made eye contact while they announced ‘you can’t make me’ or ‘I don’t want to!’. And they’re all like that now. No eye contact.

My mom thought all the hoopla over the ‘epidemic’ was parents who were rent seeking crazy checks. Till she taught that roomful of 7yr olds in ‘12. It was the change over 20 years that spooked her. Something is very different. And it isn’t that they’re not being spanked.