Posted on 04/04/2014 5:38:19 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Beer-makers in Colorado are upset about a proposal to keep them from recycling their used grain, and it could affect how much you pay for a beer this summer.
The Food and Drug Administration wants to stop beer brewers from selling their leftover grain to ranches so it can be used as food for cattle.
It’s not a requirement yet, but beer-makers make money off their used grain and say the new regulation would force them to dump millions of tons of it instead of recycling.
The grains are used barley, wheat and other grains that are steeped in hot water. The FDA is trying to make sure beer-makers meet the same standards as livestock and pet food manufactuers.
The overhaul also involves new sanitary handling procedures. The government says doing this will cut down on the spread of bacteria that can make animals and people sick.
Heavy hitters from the beer industry have been included in hearings. They want the government to reconsider.
Recycling the grain brings in money for beer-makers. Using that grain helps ranchers because feed prices are three times higher than recycled grain. The cost could be passed on, though it’s not expected to be a huge increase.
The Marxists want us to eat no meat or cheese.
It doesn’t matter if anyone disagrees or agrees, scientific facts are just that.
In this case corn. As I pointed out up thread, the attacks on ethanol are not only short of scientific facts, many of the 'facts' that are used are nothing more than outright lies.
Sort of like the tactics used by the Global Warming people.
Propane shortage linked to ethanol
"To anyone wondering why there is a shortage of propane and doubling and tripling of the price this year: One reason is the 2007 government mandate on ethanol production.
Farmers planted record acres of corn in the spring of 2013. In fact, they planted corn in places it’s never been planted before. Corn was planted so far north that it didn’t ripen and mature before winter set in.
In a normal year, propane is put into storage in September, October and November in anticipation of the winter heating season. But this year, that propane was used to dry corn that was immature and wet.
You can’t blame farmers for planting more corn to take advantage of the fact that 30 percent of our corn crop is used to make ethanol..."
The EPA has made it profitable for farmers to dry wet, green corn in the early winter with propane energy, in order to produce ethanol energy. Somehow, I doubt the energy trade is even in the slightest.
At least you propane-heating peasants got it up the wazoo dry with the EPA's ethanol rhino horn, and you didn't even know that they were responsible!
BTW - they'll do it again this year, if they're not stopped.
What happened this fall & winter with corn production and propane is pretty much a fact.
What's your opinion about that?
BTW - I'm also against burning natural gas in power plants for the most part, like those California whackjobs insist on doing, and using compressed natural gas to power truck fleets.
Natural gas is great for heating and cooking. Don't let crazed whackjobs burn it for their pet Watermelon projects.
Step away from my pint and no one gets hurt.
can this same gum'ment give any figures on just how many beer-mad cows are running around? Any at all? Even one?
The science says turning food into fuel is a bad idea. Bad on the food side and bad on the fuel side.
Its politics and out of control environmentalism.
I do have a flush toilet that actually works - and uses more water than the FedGov authorized 1.6 gallons. I have incandescent light bulbs at 100 watts and more. And, yes, I have a wood stove, plus all sorts of other useful items that some moron in DC thinks he has the right to deny me.
Follow the money.
You need to get a better source of information. The entire paragraph is false. So are most of the rest of the 'facts', including that constantly trumpeted "30% of corn for ethanol" which is an outright lie.
As to the price of propane, do you really think that it was only the NE who got hit with those prices? It wasn't.
Even the Midwest farmers, who you are blaming for those prices, got hit, and hard. What do you think those prices did to the livestock farmers who burn more propane in an hour than the average home uses in a month?
It also who help to examine why the NE got hit so hard.
Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and didn't fill their tanks last summer when prices were low?
Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and don't want to have fuel distribution pipelines located in the NE part of America?
Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and don't want an electrical generation system that would sustain them located in their part of the country, thus having no auxiliary heat sources?
Could it be that they have a Global Warming mindset, and don't want to prepare for cold winters?
Don't blames the rest of us for their foolishness.
DeNial ain’t just a river in Egypt...
I’m bowled over by your fount of knowledge and wisdom.
It's actually "font of knowledge and wisdom".
Balding_Eagle wrote in post #51:
You need to get a better source of information. The entire paragraph is false. So are most of the rest of the 'facts', including that constantly trumpeted "30% of corn for ethanol" which is an outright lie.
This argument is a classic example of what I call an "Internet rebuttal".
To wit: "No, it's not. It's the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you said.", followed by some inane ramblings which attempt to re-justify the original opinion which was questioned.
The Internet rebuttal is used to dismiss clear facts which are causing cognitive dissonance in the denier, who attempts to attack the messenger.
Clear fact #1: In the fall of 2013, US farmers used much of the propane that was destined to go into winter storage for domestic home heating needs.
Clear fact #2: The propane was used to dry large amounts of green, immature & wet corn, generated by late plantings.
Clear fact #3: The EPA's insistence on polluting the US gasoline supply with ethanol is a major driver of this economic abortion.
Balding_Eagle's "Internet rebuttal" was generated by his cognitive bias toward ethanol.
Sorry, Balding - burning propane energy to produce ethanol energy is a net loss in any thermodynamic equation.
Thanks for playing!
It's 'fount'. Perhaps you could sight your source for using font, which is normally used to designate type size. My site is Merriam-Webster. Readers could chose which site was more credible and affective.
As to the paragraph in question, a review of the actual data shows the first sentence to be false. As to the second sentence, while there may be an acre or two that was planted to corn where corn had never been grown before, it would be true only on a technicality, but not even close to true in the practical sense. The third sentence? Corn was planted where it normally was.
burning propane energy to produce ethanol energy is a net loss in any thermodynamic equation.
See post 37.
More cognitive bias.
A cognitive bias is a pattern of deviation in judgment, whereby inferences about other people and situations may be drawn in an illogical fashion. Individuals create their own "subjective social reality" from their perception of the input. An individual's construction of social reality, not the objective input, may dictate their behaviour in the social world. Thus, cognitive biases may sometimes lead to perceptual distortion, inaccurate judgment, illogical interpretation, or what is broadly called irrationality.
The OED suggests that font of knowledge is now the more common form.
One of us went to university for free on his knowledge of the English language, and you didn't, naif.
The three clear facts I posted above stand, and your "Internet rebuttal" does not. Making stuff up and injecting your own opinion is not a rebuttal.
My apologies.
I didn't make up anything, it was simply stated in my own words.
I've identified you as someone to whom facts don't matter, so I've decided to just play you along.
LOL! You've posted a FR "selfie". You've identified you as someone to whom facts don't matter.
True dat.
I, on the other hand, posted facts about what happened this winter with the domestic propane home heating supply. Deny them all you want. They're still true.
No one is interested in your opinion.
Farmers planted record acres of corn in the spring of 2013. In fact, they planted corn in places it’s never been planted before. Corn was planted so far north that it didn’t ripen and mature before winter set in.
Acres planted 2012: 97 million acres, USDA
Acres planed 2013: 95 Million acres, USDA
The other two are false also, however you can look then up.
Not that it will matter to you, you are not one to let facts cloud your judgment.
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