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To: vg0va3; Jacquerie
The purpose of this reply is to consider potential objections which a prudent conservative would anticipate will be interposed by Congress to evade its constitutional duty to "call" a convention upon the request of 34 states. For this purpose, and for all my purposes, it is considered that it is urgently in the interests of the conservative movement and likely indispensable for the survival of the Republic as a civil society grounded in the rule of law and the Constitution to proceed with an Article V convention.

Prudent conservatives should anticipate recalcitrance by Congress in performing its constitutional duty to call a convention because the entire purpose of the provisions of Article V is to circumscribe federal power. It is considered to be beyond argument, at least on these threads, that Congress feeds off the engrossment of federal power and it is in their selfish personal interests to protect both their power and their rice bowls. Moreover, history has demonstrated a repeated pattern of outright obstructionism by Congress in declining to call such conventions even in the face of application by the required number of states.

Nor is there any reason to believe that Republicans will be less obstructive than Democrats. We should anticipate rather that they will be passive aggressive and surreptitious in their obstruction much like Mitch McConnell behaves in sabotaging efforts to defund Obamacare or reduce spending by voting for cloture but against the final bill when his vote doesn't matter.

Historically, Congress has frustrated calls for Article V convention by finding discrepancies in the applications. Therefore, I think the conservative states' legislatures should coordinate the applications with identical wording. We have seen Congress simply delay the matter to death without calling a convention and therefore I believe the conservative states' applications should contain specifications as to date and place, also identically worded.

No doubt Harry Reid will decline to bring the matter before the Senate and if he retains control of the Senate he will no doubt let the matter languish in his desk drawer. The state applications should therefore contain identical wording stating an intention to proceed with the convention at the given time and place if either house of Congress fails to bring the matter to the floor.

Since it is likely that Congress will attempt to regulate the procedures of the convention as well is the subject matter, I recommend that the applications in identical wording make provisions for these subjects. This is especially critical as we will expect there to be challenges in Congress as well as Article III challenges demanding that the state be represented according to population and that the vote of the states in convention be made not on each state casting one ballot but on each delegate voting. Such a provision would wreck all conservative chances of restoring the Constitution to its original purpose.

No doubt others can contribute other provisions and cause this list to grow, I just wanted to suggest this possibility, concededly belatedly, in the hope to avoid obstructionism in Congress from both left and right.


5 posted on 04/02/2014 7:39:44 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Yes, there are uncharted waters ahead.

Hmm, the Archivist of the United States collects state electoral college votes. I wonder if this is the office that keeps track of state convention applications.

The source said twelve states rescinded their balanced budget applications, and wondered if that was legal. I don't see why not.

In any event, there appears to be a building groundswell of disgust with, and resistance to, oppression.

14 posted on 04/02/2014 9:28:18 AM PDT by Jacquerie ( Article V.)
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To: nathanbedford
Historically, Congress has frustrated calls for Article V convention by finding discrepancies in the applications.

Of course. That is why they have coordinated their applications. Please read up on this. Try http://www.conventionofstates.com/

No doubt Harry Reid will decline to bring the matter before the Senate

It is possible that it could end up in the courts. This could be a long fight. That is not a reason to avouid fighting it.

Since it is likely that Congress will attempt to regulate the procedures ...

There is much historical precident for the convention process and proceedures. Again, the courts may see some lawsuits.

16 posted on 04/02/2014 9:51:52 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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