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If you a small fish actively trading you will be crushed by the big boys. I knew about this manipulation listening to the Coffee&Markets podcast at Redstate. One of the regulars who works in the intersection of IT and finance commented there is no place for the small retail investor on Wall Street anymore because of stuff like this.
1 posted on 03/31/2014 12:26:58 PM PDT by C19fan
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Saw them talking about this on FOX this morning too.

The consensus was yes but tough noogies.


2 posted on 03/31/2014 12:29:05 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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Is the pope catholic?


3 posted on 03/31/2014 12:30:16 PM PDT by Texicanus (Texas, it's a whole 'nother country.)
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Duh.


4 posted on 03/31/2014 12:33:27 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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None of the info about HFT is new, been known publicly for several years, just another way to scam the little fish. Milli- and micro-second trades are entered and pulled (for their manipulation effect) before the little guy's trade can get executed. In fact, even before a big non-HFT trade can be executed.

All this is no where near as important as the central bank bubble, though.

5 posted on 03/31/2014 12:35:04 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture)
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From a long lost Day Trader....”The Masses Lose their A**es”

NYSE: A well developed con job


6 posted on 03/31/2014 12:35:41 PM PDT by Regulator
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That’s kinda the whole base philosophy of stocks.

Manipulation, timing, luck, and even a little actual reality for show.


7 posted on 03/31/2014 12:36:15 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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There is a distinction between small stock investors who buy and hold for long term gains, and small traders, who aim to make many small, quick gains and must compete with the market distorting manipulations of large traders. Cautious small investors can do well, sometimes remarkably well.


9 posted on 03/31/2014 12:41:26 PM PDT by Rockingham
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I don’t think it’s really rigged. The HFT traders do make profits. In effect, they skim a bit, and I think the practical effect of this is to widen the bid-ask spread a bit. The market is still a lot more fair than 30 or 40 years ago when there was a mandatory bid-ask spread quoted in fractions of a dollar, and the brokers pocketed the difference. Now, the brokers and market makers are dealing in penny spreads... and yeah, the HFT guys pick up some... but regular investors are a lot better off than they used to be.


10 posted on 03/31/2014 12:45:09 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Don’t forget about the stimulas money that banks get for negligible interest rates to use for free in the stock market to make billions . When it all comes crashing down it won’t be pretty.


11 posted on 03/31/2014 12:50:11 PM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attacking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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Long term buy and hold with dollar cost averaging has left me with more net worth than if I had put the money in the bank or CDs all these years.

Yes, the past 13 years have been pretty miserable as a buy and holder, but so have banks and CDs.

And yes, the market is rigged, which is where the big profits are. It is there for the big corporate guys to rob the small investor, like in 2008-2009, when so many small investors sold short, pulling out their money when the market was way down.

People that stayed all in when the market was down came out fine. In my case, I got all out at around the peak and stayed out, so I am fine too.

But yes, the market is rigged and plenty of small investors get greedy too late to make good profits and scare too easily after big sell offs. They are basically buying high and selling low and transfer their money to the big corporate guys.


12 posted on 03/31/2014 12:53:24 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Free goodies for all -- Freedom for none.)
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Is the U.S. stock market rigged?

Can there be any doubt ?????????????????

15 posted on 03/31/2014 12:57:16 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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Yes.


16 posted on 03/31/2014 12:58:16 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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I worked on stock monitoring systems and Fidelity and had to follow transactions during the day. I noticed that hours or a day before major announcements many issues had a coincidental blip.

Yeah it's wired for some. Just look at Congressmen's net worth before and after they leave DC.

17 posted on 03/31/2014 12:59:03 PM PDT by AU72
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Yet U.S. stock ownership is at a record low

Where do you think our trade deficit dollars end up? Our government penalizes the heck out of any foreign entity wishing to invest in a US business start up or real estate. Yet that same foreign entity can purchase stock online without being hit with all the regulation.

When you put Goldman Sachs in charge of our monetary system, you can expect them to rig the game in their favor.

19 posted on 03/31/2014 1:02:50 PM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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The HFTs function as toll booths. They do their best to get a little bit out of each trade by front running it. Could be a nickle collected over billions of trades a year.

Front running means their computer program has ways of anticipating a trade. So the HFTs buy that stock and sell it to you for a few pennies more than you would have paid otherwise. This takes place in a fraction of a second.
Do this a millions of times a day and you are rich


20 posted on 03/31/2014 1:03:00 PM PDT by dennisw (Lenovo)
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YES..... people are buying stuff(actual assets) with currency created fiat.... out of nothing..

Almost as much cotton candy bull sperm as currently being inseminated by the White House..
Not as much but almost as much..


21 posted on 03/31/2014 1:06:17 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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Of course it’s rigged. And this is the reason people started day trading.


24 posted on 03/31/2014 1:08:42 PM PDT by Obadiah (I Like Ted.)
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"Stock market's rigged. The United States stock market, the most iconic market in global capitalism is rigged."


25 posted on 03/31/2014 1:11:40 PM PDT by expat_panama (Arguing with those who have renounced reason is like giving medicine to the dead. --Thomas Paine)
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Is the market rigged? Doubtful...there are too many institutional investors and hedge funds who are not in on the rigging but still make a great return.

Do institutional investors manipulate hysterical retail investors for profit in certain sectors? Absolutely!

That said, if you are not hysterical and are not easily manipulated, you can do well in ETF's (which own a basket of stocks). Of course, you must choose the right ETF.

27 posted on 03/31/2014 1:15:11 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama LImbo: " How low-down can you go?")
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Is the U.S. stock market rigged?

YES

I realized that in the late 60s early 70s. Things have just deteriorated since then.
The only real "option" for outsiders is through participation in large, well managed mutual funds.

28 posted on 03/31/2014 1:15:37 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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