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Kerry & Lavrov Negotiate Ukraine’s Surrender in Paris: Were All the Rooms in Munich Booked?
The Streetwise Professor ^ | March 30, 2014 | The Professor

Posted on 03/30/2014 6:48:10 PM PDT by No One Special

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To: No One Special
Like Obama said, he has a lot more “flexibility” after the election.
He is betraying Ukraine and her people.
He is gifting Ukraine to Putin, to what end we don't know.

I bet Putin has the "goods" on Obama.
1. The real birth certificate?
2. Maybe some bathhouse stories?
3. Some financial relationships before and after his election?
4. Memberships or connections to various groups, photos, speeches, etc.

21 posted on 03/30/2014 8:16:21 PM PDT by oldbrowser (Civil service unions are the real government)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
Excuse me, but, doesn’t Ukraine have any say?

Nope. Their previous democratically elected government was overthrown by an Obama/Soros/sodomite EU backed coup. The new junta is now just a puppet government. All they can do is follow orders from the IMF and CFR.

22 posted on 03/30/2014 8:23:04 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

It has been a month. Ample time for you to have educated yourself on why the elected government was overthrown.


23 posted on 03/30/2014 8:28:23 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: No One Special

Pease in our time!


24 posted on 03/30/2014 8:50:50 PM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian

Yes.


25 posted on 03/30/2014 9:06:17 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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US, Russia fail to reach deal on Ukraine after crisis talks
26 posted on 03/30/2014 9:15:07 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; Navy Patriot
Thanks!

After several hours, no highly negative response from others? What is going on? Can it be that things are always more complex than the mass media companies are capable of understanding when they reprint government press releases as "news"?

Here's another zinger for you:

Which was the first country to run concentration camps in Europe?

1)  Nazi Germany
2)  Soviet Union
3)  Austro-Hungarian Empire
4)  British Empire

The answer is "3) Austro-Hungarian Empire". During World War I, from 1914 to 1918, Vienna ran a series of concentration camps (properly defined as "concentrating" large groups of people with the attendant violence and death, and not necessarily killing them in mass-production mode like the later Nazis.) The area they conducted mass terror in was "Galicia", roughly the westernmost 5 counties of Ukraine except the Carpathian region, plus southeast Poland. Estimates range as high as 60,000 people in the villages of the region being hanged on-site or sent to these camps, for declaring they were Russian and not Ukrainian.

The most well-known camps, which are still remembered by the Russian population of Ukraine, Belarus, and Poland are Talerhof and Terezin and others as far away as Austria itself.

The later pro-Nazi Ukrainians of Galicia that one reads about, who collaborated with the Nazis and whose grandchildren comprise such pro-Nazi groups as "Right Sector" and "Svoboda", were those who willingly assisted in the destruction of Russian identity in that region after a thousand years of the history of the Rus principalities.

There is no wonder that the Russians of all those countries including Russia itself are extremely mistrustful of the West for facilitating the violent coup d'etat by these same pro-Nazi forces controlling other well-meaning but possibly naive groups.

27 posted on 03/31/2014 4:26:05 AM PDT by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Leo Carpathian
Ukraine got its chance by way of a violent, manipulated coup it couldn't or wouldn't stop. If protestors pulled that fortress of burning tires stunt in a US city, they'd be shot....and we'd be cheering the police. And what happens? The thugs who manipulated the coup forced upon Ukraine a government that couldn't govern. The people soon discovered that all the EU/globalist/US wanted was to gain control of the economy and assets.

An analogy....if that happened in US, I'd hope that US states would be able to leave the US.

Ukraine is a failed nation. What happened in Kiev in the west shouldn't affect what happens in other parts of the country. Splitting the country and tweaking the borders with other countries I hope produces a Ukraine that can govern, defend, and finance itself....instead of whining for other countries to finance and defend it.

Bottom line....a violent coup is not a democratic process and a vote is not an invasion.

28 posted on 03/31/2014 4:38:10 AM PDT by grania
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To: oldbrowser

The KGB knows plenty about bath house barry.
Much more that the dimrat party.

That whole flexibility thing was a coded surrender.

Thanks dimrats and your media for bringing us this mess.


29 posted on 03/31/2014 4:44:48 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is now the CPUSA)
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To: rdcbn

What is amazing about the Obama admin deception is that they go into these countries, cozy up to anyone interested (sometimes vermin), agitate and community organize to foment the ousting of these governments with no plans ready if their devious plans fail.

Obama starts the nightmare and when, or if, the SHTF and things go awry, they fold up the tent and hit the road leaving a mess and a vacuum filled by who knows what.


30 posted on 03/31/2014 4:59:08 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Texas resident
That whole flexibility thing was a coded surrender.

I believe Obama is being blackmailed.

31 posted on 03/31/2014 5:45:45 AM PDT by oldbrowser (Is Obama being blackmailed?)
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To: wildandcrazyrussian
After several hours, no highly negative response from others? What is going on? Can it be that things are always more complex than the mass media companies are capable of understanding when they reprint government press releases as "news"?

They may be worried about covert activity/false flag news leaks and high level telephone conversation leakages.

And they might be afraid of you because likely you can find and accurately translate Russian blogs and boards.

When this group demonizes current Russian leadership with Western MSM sources, and are called on the lack of veracity of the source, they switch to American blogs that supposedly are right of center but support the GOP-E that supports leftist One World policy.

The real reason for hatred of Russians by the Modern West, is that Russians are, as a culture, predominately White, Christian and Straight. Those qualities cannot be allowed to accumulate power.

32 posted on 03/31/2014 7:10:16 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

The coup was supported by Obama, Soros, and the sodomite EU to the tune of billions of dollars, massive propaganda around the world, and God knows what else. The puppet junta is already selling the country out to the IMF and World Bank. That’s all I need to know about this foreign takeover.


33 posted on 03/31/2014 8:39:23 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto
“and God knows what else. “

Monsanto nazis ?

34 posted on 03/31/2014 8:43:44 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Navy Patriot
“The real reason for hatred of Russians by the Modern West, is that Russians are, as a culture, predominately White, Christian and Straight.”

Because as we all know, Ukrainians, Estonians, Georgians and other nations in conflict with them (nearly every neighbor of Russia) are mainly black, homo muslims ! Yeah, let's call Alex Jones know !

35 posted on 03/31/2014 8:49:23 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246
Because as we all know, Ukrainians, Estonians, Georgians and other nations...are mainly black, homo muslims !

You said that, not I.

36 posted on 03/31/2014 8:59:04 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: grania
Yes, Commiesaaar! Another example of Putin's disinformatchik here on FR. Yep, dem freedom loving thugs, didn't like Putin's puppet screwing the country into commie paradise, but wanted to be free as Shevchenko prophesized 400 years ago.

New government will be elected soon, there was no gummit forced coup, just pissed off people sick of red terror. Get it? You are being corralled slowly to commie paradise by Obamanomics, so stand by and obey!

37 posted on 03/31/2014 12:00:27 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepeesssssed)
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To: grania
Ukraine got its chance by way of a violent, manipulated coup it couldn't or wouldn't stop. If protestors pulled that fortress of burning tires stunt in a US city, they'd be shot....and we'd be cheering the police. And what happens? The thugs who manipulated the coup forced upon Ukraine a government that couldn't govern.

The people soon discovered that all the EU/globalist/US wanted was to gain control of the economy and assets. An analogy....if that happened in US, I'd hope that US states would be able to leave the US.

Ukraine is a failed nation. What happened in Kiev in the west shouldn't affect what happens in other parts of the country. Splitting the country and tweaking the borders with other countries I hope produces a Ukraine that can govern, defend, and finance itself....instead of whining for other countries to finance and defend it.

Bottom line....a violent coup is not a democratic process and a vote is not an invasion.

Concurring bump...nice rant.

38 posted on 03/31/2014 7:34:20 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: No One Special

Kerry should be sure to take his umbrella for reasons other than the fact that the Weather Channel is predicting rain for Paris this weekend.


39 posted on 04/01/2014 3:17:57 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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