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1.3 Percent Doctrine, 98.7 Percent Delusion: Why Obama can’t convince Europe to spend on defense
National Review ^ | 03/29/2013 | Tom Rogan

Posted on 03/29/2014 11:02:05 AM PDT by SeekAndFind



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defense; europe; welfare
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To: SeekAndFind

I would have cut Europe off from the “free defense” gravy train a LONG time ago, the socialism there would have collapsed a lot sooner...

After the soviets fell I would have left Europe.

Why are we indirectly subsiding socialism in Europe anyways?


21 posted on 03/29/2014 11:51:55 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Jonty30

damn straight they are.


22 posted on 03/29/2014 11:52:33 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: GraceG

And why do they complain we’re going down the same path? The ingrates have no standing to complain after all the American blood, sweat, tears and treasure poured on Europe.

We want to live the “good life” like they do. Let them take care of themselves.


23 posted on 03/29/2014 11:55:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

As much as it kills me, Obama is right. They need to provide for their own defense. They had 70 years to build up their defense and military strategies. If we move to protect them, they would call us war mongers. We can’t win either way.


24 posted on 03/29/2014 11:57:28 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: goldstategop

“It works for them so we might as well crash the party”

It only works for them because they hardly spend a dime on defense. I think it was Churchill who said, “We can have a strong military or we can have a socialist state. But we can’t have both.”


25 posted on 03/29/2014 11:57:48 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

We’re doing the same thing. We’re reducing defense spending. I see no reason for us to do more than minimum to protect America from an unlikely foreign invasion. In any case, there’s not much we can or should do about Europe.


26 posted on 03/29/2014 12:00:13 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jonty30
yes....looks like my post didn't make it.

I meant to include that Europe will have to raise taxes or cut their nanny state to pay for an increase in defense spending.

27 posted on 03/29/2014 12:14:28 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: Gen.Blather
I simply can’t picture even a Republican majority and a Republican president cutting off the welfare queens

You are right. No one has the stones to do that. What I was thinking of, is that a total economic meltdown is about the only thing that will cut them off. When that happens, the fight is on.

28 posted on 03/29/2014 12:14:59 PM PDT by Mark17 (Chicago Blackhawks: Stanley Cup champions 2010, 2013. Vietnam Vet 70-71 Msgt US Air Force, retired)
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To: SeekAndFind

Any/ALL POTUS and every Congress should issue the ultimatum: Kick it up to 3% and meet strict readiness and capability criteria set by the US JCS, or we’re withdrawing from the NATO treaty in five years.


29 posted on 03/29/2014 12:38:20 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: SeekAndFind

In fairness to Obama NO ONE can convince the Europeans to pay for their own defense. That wonderful free universal health care isn’t cheap.


30 posted on 03/29/2014 1:21:48 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: nomad

And remind me again why its the USA’s job to confront Putin?


31 posted on 03/29/2014 2:41:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: ealgeone

You appear to suffer from the illusion that tax increases always raise revenue. Europe is way over the wrong side of the Laffer curve. They need to cut taxes and regulation, and they need to jump start their economies by developing domestic energy sources. They can also educate their populace to understand that hard work is a virtue and that laziness is dragging their Continent into the sewer.

Not gonna happen, so it’s Alpha Mike Foxtrot for them.


32 posted on 03/29/2014 6:51:58 PM PDT by Go_Raiders (Freedom doesn't give you the right to take from others, no matter how innocent your program sounds.)
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To: Jonty30
In a nutshell, Europe cannot afford to cut back on its entitlements without risking a continental wide riot.
They can if they are willing to save themselves and Western civilization by expelling the foreigners feeding at their troth and ending foreign aid. There will be short term pain. The problem is that their traitor class rulinig Europe will countenance no such thing.
33 posted on 03/29/2014 11:33:18 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: PGR88

That was sarcasm.


34 posted on 03/30/2014 6:16:26 AM PDT by nomad
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