Posted on 03/27/2014 5:30:57 AM PDT by dontreadthis
It will pass and Scott will sign it. I know liberals in this state who support it, and the Florida Legislature is still, by and large, conservative.
In related news, Gov. Scott is closing the gap against “fake bake” Charlie Tuna.
A long time ago a convention met to hammer out what became the Constitution of the United States of America. In a single, held between two fingers document, this convention brought forth the foundation of the greatest nation in the checkered history of this planet. Eventually a small number of amendments were added, but even these didn’t create an unwieldly document.
A very short time ago, the resulting government brought forth upon this earth what is called a Health Care Bill. This bill, so voluminous cannot easily be held by a strong person. Thousands of pages containing tens of thousands of unclear “regulations” have 300 million people shaking their heads as it descends into chaos.
I ask you, do you really desire to see the people who brought forth the “ACA” sit to re-write the Constitution of the United States of America? Really? The printing of the new document would require the sacrifice of every tree in the USA to acquire enough paper.
Yeah, I can see the Mitch McConnells, John McCains, and Thad Chochrans of the world voting for this one. There are 14 senators running this year for their third term or higher. Term limits would force them to go back to the sticks and work for a living.
Read your Constitution. Under Article 5, the states would form a convention to propose amendments. The amendments would need to be approved by 3/4 of the states to be ratified. Nowhere in this process does Congress get to vote on it. This procedure was put in place to give states a mechanism to reign in Federal power. Nobody in the Federal government plays a part in this type of amendment process.
Article V Ping
FROM THE BILL:
(3) That this memorial is revoked and withdrawn, nullified,
70 and superseded to the same effect as if it had never been
71 passed, and retroactive to the date of passage, if it is used
72 for the purpose of calling a convention or used in support of
73 conducting a convention to amend the Constitution of the United
74 States for any purpose other than imposing fiscal restraints on
75 the Federal Government, limiting the power and jurisdiction of
76 the Federal Government, or limiting the terms of office for
77 federal officials and members of Congress.
Complete wrong approach. Don’t trust or need congress to do this. Follow Mark Levin plan and bypass congress completely.
How is congress involved?
Article V ping.
They are not. This is outside the control of the greatest villains in American history - the current political elites in Washington, D.C.
This looks like something different from the Convention of States. Why doesn’t Florida just get on board with the Convention of States?
Is this a call for a Convention of States like GA? If so, why is the involvement/permission of Congress invoked?
It is a given that each State must individually petition the Federal Congress to call for a COS, and each States’ petition is a product of its respective legislature.
The Convention of States organization has a template for petitions, and it would be ideal if each State had identical petitions. This is because the Fed Congress is charged with determining whether the 2/3 trigger has been met FOR PETITIONS ON THE SAME SUBJECT MATTER.
For example, if 34 States submit petitions that state that the purpose of calling a COS is to impose term limits, then the Feds have no choice but to call the Convention.
However, if 30 States petition for term limits, and 4 petition to “limit the size of the Federal Government”, then the Feds would likely determine that the threshold is not met.
There are limitless permutations of how the Feds could group or segregate individual State petitions if the language differs, even slightly, one from another.This is the rub, and has prevented the threshold from being reached when this was done in our past history. This issue is sure to be litigated this time if the Feds are seen to be unreasonably impeding the process on this basis.
So, while it would be ideal if every State were to submit identical petitions, I find no fault specifically with what Florida has in its bill other than to say it does not go far enough. But then, I have the same complaint with the petitions currently in progress or passed out of other States.
Thanks!
They are identical.
Impose fiscal restraints on the Federal Government.
Limit the power and jurisdiction of the Federal Government.
Limit the terms of office for federal officials and members of Congress.
My understanding of the proposed Convention of States as the second Article V option completely bypasses the feds and Congress. The second option in Article V does not require fed approval.
OK, but why the reference to Congress? One of the big advantages to the Convention of States is that is completely bypasses Congress.
Unlike Obamacare, the proposed amendments are simple and structural.
Please elaborate. I honestly don’t follow your question.
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