Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Brooklyn Attitude
Order, Discipline, and high expectations are the only things that have been PROVEN to work in these school systems

It has NEVER been proven, because it cannot be proven, that universal compulsory academic education to age 18 can work.

You can have all the high expectations you want, but when you populate an Algebra II or English Lit class at the high school level with a group whose IQs range from 70-95, with a MEDIAN of 83-85, you have a formula for failure.

What form the failure takes varies by gender, and by the formulae used for order and for discipline. However, a very substantial fraction of the males held against their will in these urban "school" systems cannot be disciplined even in State Prison, so I am skeptical that better teachers or less powerful teacher unions can do the trick.

Face the truth. The experiment is a failure.

48 posted on 03/25/2014 7:17:14 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. H)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies ]


To: Jim Noble

I totally agree. I went to a virtually all white school growing up and the disruptive kids HS were white males. The issue is keeping kids in school who don’t belong there and don’t want to be there.

We should end compulsory education after passing an either grade level proficiency exam or at age 16 whichever comes first. If someone can pass that exam at 12 or 14 years old, they are no longer required to be in school .. but they can elect to stay in college prep for 2 more years if they want. No way we need 12 years of schooling ... it’s just babysitting.


52 posted on 03/25/2014 7:25:34 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies ]

To: Jim Noble

“It has NEVER been proven, because it cannot be proven, that universal compulsory academic education to age 18 can work.”

Not sure how this is relevant and what you mean by “can work”. It seems to work pretty well most places.

“What form the failure takes varies by gender, and by the formulae used for order and for discipline. However, a very substantial fraction of the males held against their will in these urban “school” systems cannot be disciplined even in State Prison, so I am skeptical that better teachers or less powerful teacher unions can do the trick. Face the truth. The experiment is a failure.”

Not necessarily. Google Frank Mickens and Joe Clark for examples of how discipline, order and high expectations can turn school around even in bad neighborhoods.
Of course the entrenched school bureacracy and race hustlers fight them at every turn (cant have someone succeed where they failed). The concept is sound and it can work if people are brave enough to try it.


56 posted on 03/25/2014 7:59:41 AM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson