By your world view, I am a murderer many times over, because of the countless millions (probably billions) of human cells that I have grown, experimented on, and killed. Gee, in your world I should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.
In the world of Freerepublic, populated as it is by an overwhelming number of real conservatives, not liars like yourself, you are a dead soul leftist pretending at conservative.
As a lying progressive dead soul, you again (for the third time in this thread, in just your responses to me!) purposely conflate cells/organs with ORGANISM. That type of lying filth is not even undetected here at FR.
You also play the undistributed middle fallacy like a whining pro dead soul leftist. I'm actually surprised such a lying dead soul leftist peddling such dead soul filth as you have posted in the response to which I am now responding has lasted so long at Freerepublic! But then Jim Robinson is a patient man, and leftists do try and take advantage of such magnanimity.
And besides that, you still have no clue and cannot appoint when consciousness begins, nor how to define consciousness or what it actually is, or if it is a gradual process built up during gestation. You are a disgusting dead soul who wants desperately to maintain your charade at FR. Why? ... for the same reason sexual degenerate homosexuals demand to be given normalcy status, probably. Disgusting.
And here is another example of your charade: "No, I cannot say when the brain is actually capable of true thought." Like a typical lying leftist you try to slide the jello to the side as a dart is aimed at the heart of your deception. You can define consciousness as solely the function of an organ of an organism, stupidly, if you choose, but when you do you contradict the other assertions you've made regarding the tendencies of organs (the living epithelial cells which tend to seek other of their kind; glial cells in the brain do the same thing, and you might benefit from studying the process by which a gestating human builds the brain pattern for use in the body being built for life in the air world) within the context of the greater organism.
As a dead soul lying leftist masquerading as a conservative at FR, perhaps you seek to remove the divine from the Creation, appointing the physical world with all the requirements for life and intelligence? Your posting is exposing your dead soul the more you try to make us believe you know what you're talking about.
And BTW, I wrote a little guide for the layperson and posted it free for downloading, more than a decade ago, which explains stem cells, cloning and the agenda of the left in pushing embryonic stem cell harvesting and experiementation. You could actually read it if you follow the links on my profile page. But I doubt you will do so because you are a dead soul convinced that your godless perspective is the only correct way to view the world.
I am not a leftist, and your attacks against me for supporting a scientifically based pro-life position are absolutely unjustified.
Your understanding of science is, at best, minimal. You have obviously learned some characteristics of cells and read into that a level of sophistication that simply does not exist. Cells survive because thousands of chemical reactions are occurring at any given time. Despite the fact that those cells exhibit certain behaviors, those behaviors are only chemical reactions—cells, even human cells, are utterly unaware.
Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that just because a cell or tissue of human origin is alive by the basic definition, it is NOT a human being?
Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that consciousness/personhood resides in the brain, and that without a living, functioning brain, the rest of the body is just a piece of meat? When the brain is dead, the person is dead. I have no idea what you imagine consciousness is, if not a function of activity of the brain—but whatever you imagine is not scientific, and is not the working definition of the thousands of physicians who must pronounce death every day on the basis of cessation of brain function, or of the scientists who study consciousness. I read a paper recently where someone was studying how long a turkey remains aware once it has been decapitated; the goal of such research is to make slaughter as painless as possible.
It is incredible to me that anyone can be as unaware as you of the processes going on in their own brain. Your lack of self-awareness and absence of any true scientific understanding of, well, anything do not make my completely science based explanations inaccurate in any way. If you find a factual inaccuracy, you are free to point out the inaccuracy and provide the correct information (preferably sourced from a reliable medical journal, or easily confirmed by anyone familiar with medical literature). Your inability to factually counter any thing I have stated, while frothing at the mouth and insulting me is a strong indication to me that you have no facts on your side. Your entire claim to be “pro-life” appears to be more a concern about whether women use contraceptives; you have yet to express any concern in this thread about the killing of real babies who actually do have a central nervous system capable of feeling, of being aware, and of knowing their environment.
I am not a leftist, and your attacks against me for supporting a scientifically based pro-life position are absolutely unjustified.
Your understanding of science is, at best, minimal. You have obviously learned some characteristics of cells and read into that a level of sophistication that simply does not exist. Cells survive because thousands of chemical reactions are occurring at any given time. Despite the fact that those cells exhibit certain behaviors, those behaviors are only chemical reactions—cells, even human cells, are utterly unaware.
Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that just because a cell or tissue of human origin is alive by the basic definition, it is NOT a human being?
Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that consciousness/personhood resides in the brain, and that without a living, functioning brain, the rest of the body is just a piece of meat? When the brain is dead, the person is dead. I have no idea what you imagine consciousness is, if not a function of activity of the brain—but whatever you imagine is not scientific, and is not the working definition of the thousands of physicians who must pronounce death every day on the basis of cessation of brain function, or of the scientists who study consciousness. I read a paper recently where someone was studying how long a turkey remains aware once it has been decapitated; the goal of such research is to make slaughter as painless as possible.
It is incredible to me that anyone can be as unaware as you of the processes going on in their own brain. Your lack of self-awareness and absence of any true scientific understanding of, well, anything do not make my completely science based explanations inaccurate in any way. If you find a factual inaccuracy, you are free to point out the inaccuracy and provide the correct information (preferably sourced from a reliable medical journal, or easily confirmed by anyone familiar with medical literature). Your inability to factually counter any thing I have stated, while frothing at the mouth and insulting me is a strong indication to me that you have no facts on your side. Your entire claim to be “pro-life” appears to be more a concern about whether women use contraceptives; you have yet to express any concern in this thread about the killing of real babies who actually do have a central nervous system capable of feeling, of being aware, and of knowing their environment.