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To: MHGinTN

I am not a leftist, and your attacks against me for supporting a scientifically based pro-life position are absolutely unjustified.

Your understanding of science is, at best, minimal. You have obviously learned some characteristics of cells and read into that a level of sophistication that simply does not exist. Cells survive because thousands of chemical reactions are occurring at any given time. Despite the fact that those cells exhibit certain behaviors, those behaviors are only chemical reactions—cells, even human cells, are utterly unaware.

Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that just because a cell or tissue of human origin is alive by the basic definition, it is NOT a human being?

Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that consciousness/personhood resides in the brain, and that without a living, functioning brain, the rest of the body is just a piece of meat? When the brain is dead, the person is dead. I have no idea what you imagine consciousness is, if not a function of activity of the brain—but whatever you imagine is not scientific, and is not the working definition of the thousands of physicians who must pronounce death every day on the basis of cessation of brain function, or of the scientists who study consciousness. I read a paper recently where someone was studying how long a turkey remains aware once it has been decapitated; the goal of such research is to make slaughter as painless as possible.

It is incredible to me that anyone can be as unaware as you of the processes going on in their own brain. Your lack of self-awareness and absence of any true scientific understanding of, well, anything do not make my completely science based explanations inaccurate in any way. If you find a factual inaccuracy, you are free to point out the inaccuracy and provide the correct information (preferably sourced from a reliable medical journal, or easily confirmed by anyone familiar with medical literature). Your inability to factually counter any thing I have stated, while frothing at the mouth and insulting me is a strong indication to me that you have no facts on your side. Your entire claim to be “pro-life” appears to be more a concern about whether women use contraceptives; you have yet to express any concern in this thread about the killing of real babies who actually do have a central nervous system capable of feeling, of being aware, and of knowing their environment.


163 posted on 03/27/2014 9:45:05 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: exDemMom
So now we see that you are not just a liar, you are a diabolical liar! ... Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that just because a cell or tissue of human origin is alive by the basic definition, it is NOT a human being? With that sentence you sought to twist the accusation I have leveled at you, of trying to conflate cells of an organ with the ORGANISM to which the organis associated. Such diabolical technique is usually only used so succinctly by a trained deceiver. You know you are lying and twisting but do it anyway to try and fool readers and/or confuse your target.

What you have been dismissing as only 150 undifferentiated cells (the morulla stage of gestational life) is in fact the earliest age in a lifetime begun at conception. If you had the ability to read the little layman's guide to stem cells and cloning which is linked on my profile page, you would know that I am well educated and very knowledgeable in embryology. But you tried to define me as illiterate, just the way the typical alinsky filth try to do when using alinskyesque tactics to try and take over a debate.

Your continuing effort to define a magic moment when somehow a brain turns on and the owner of the brain is magically conscious from then until death is typical of dishonest, lying, progressive dead souls who want to marginalize a portion of life so they can exploit it for utilitarian means.

You tried to bully your way to dominant position with the following bilge: "Are you really intellectually incapable of grasping the fact that consciousness/personhood resides in the brain?" As yet, you have not defined consciousness, and I am absolutely certain that science has not defined 'it' as some state which magically erupts to full expression at a perfectly defined moment. In fact, Heisenberg's uncewrtainty principle tells us that such a perfect moment is not observable. Yet you dead souls want to define a vague moment and diminish to mere undifferentiated status the being in whom consciousness has not yet displayed at your magic moment as yet undefined!

Deceitful progressives masquerading as conservative usually get caught at this juncture because you exhibit not only diabolical lying but magic thinking.

BTW, do you pray to your little god of science that you have created in your twisted diabolical mind? IS the chemistry occurring in your little gray cells the extent of your consciousness, or is there a dimensional reality which exists connected to but not confined to your little chemistry factory?

And finally, diablo;ical liar, you offered the following, which appears to be your modus operandi, albeit offered not even for the embryonic humans being slaughtered for your god science but for turkeys: "... the goal of such research is to make slaughter as painless as possible." Molech must be so proud of you! Bless your little dead heart.

164 posted on 03/28/2014 7:46:08 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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