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1 posted on 03/23/2014 8:19:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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The WHAT department?


2 posted on 03/23/2014 8:25:43 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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“when Christians form a corporation they give up the right to freely exercise their religion”

Sounds totally like something the Founders would say!

/sarc

Actually sounds more like Mussolini


3 posted on 03/23/2014 8:26:15 PM PDT by Viennacon
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There was a time I’d have had faith in SCOTUS for a rational decision. That thinking went out the window a few years ago.


4 posted on 03/23/2014 8:26:20 PM PDT by EDINVA
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In exactly the same way, violently attacking white people out of hatred is not a hate crime.


5 posted on 03/23/2014 8:27:15 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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If it's not an abortion, then it's not covered by Roe v. Wade, right? So we can simply outlaw it.
6 posted on 03/23/2014 8:28:48 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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Dick Holder makes it up as he goes along.


9 posted on 03/23/2014 8:35:36 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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Preventing a ball of about 150 undifferentiated cells from implanting really is not the same as abortion. That tiny ball of cells, or blastocyst, has no organs, no brain tissue that would make it aware or able to feel. Most blastocysts do not implant anyway.

On the other hand, abortion is the deliberate killing of an embryo that is perfectly capable of feeling the pain of being killed. The brain begins to form in week 3 when the neural tube forms; by 5 weeks, it has taken on its role as master controller of the body and processes information about its environment.

The court was actually using science to make its decision.


10 posted on 03/23/2014 8:41:09 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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No, it’s murder.


11 posted on 03/23/2014 8:45:20 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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13 posted on 03/23/2014 8:54:22 PM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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"killing an embryo seeking to implant in his or her mother’s womb is not an abortion."

No, it is murder.

14 posted on 03/23/2014 9:01:29 PM PDT by thegrump (It is who we are. It is what we do. Live for nothing or die for something !)
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pathetic (and Satanic) ...super pathetic....
(and we’re paying for this rot?)


20 posted on 03/23/2014 9:17:36 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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That’s not a rational approach towards conception. Fertilization of an ovum is a far more reasonable line between “cell” and “developing human”.

By the time implantation would occur, a unique composite genome has already formed, and many cellular divisions have already taken place, effectively creating a new and unique organism. Quite frankly, that’s life.

That’s life far more complex than you’re going to see in any prokaryote. Implantation is merely a a phase of that organism’s life, one it may complete or not (such as gestation, infancy, childhood, college, etc.).

Any dividing line drawn significantly after conception is really unsupportable. Some dishonest or easily influenced individuals may point to the high rates of human miscarriage, and the significant number pregnancies that end without implantation successfully taking place, but that’s a truly illogical argument with no comparable basis in fact - the fact that a child may suffer from SIDS, or that historically the MAJORITY of children born never reached adulthood, does not imply that a unique individual person did not exist prior to leaving infancy or childhood.

The rate of miscarriage or failure to implant is utterly immaterial to the argument of whether or not life has begun. Just as the historical childhood mortality rate is immaterial to the argument of whether or not a child is a human being.


24 posted on 03/23/2014 9:29:21 PM PDT by jameslalor
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We are screwed either way.

If Hobby Lobby loses then businesses won't be able to opt out of whatever nonsense is foisted upon them by the government.

If Hobby Lobby wins then corporations will use this decision to justify bad behavior that has absolutely nothing to do with the decision, but that will be technically allowed based on strained readings of the decision.

The 14th Amendment has been invoked far more times to grant corporations the rights normally only allotted to citizens than by blacks to get the same rights as whites.

26 posted on 03/23/2014 9:36:28 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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Murder would be the technical name and should be the legal name.

H.R.1091 - Life at Conception Act

28 posted on 03/23/2014 10:09:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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The U.S. Justice Department is telling the Supreme Court that killing a human embryo by preventing the embryo from implanting in his or her mother’s uterus is not an “abortion” and, thus, drugs that kill embryos this way are not “abortion-inducing” drugs.

Even if they are correct as they define the words, that is irrelevant. As the owners of Hobby Lobby define the words, an embryo is a person, the drugs they are ordered to pay for kill that person, and the owners of Hobby Lobby have a religious objection to killing people. Whether or not an action violates Obama's allegedly Christian values is irrelevant to whether government compelling a real Christian to perform the same action is a violation of the First Amendment Free Exercise Clause.

42 posted on 03/24/2014 2:26:24 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Next from the DOJ: Murder is nothing more than a late term abortion.


43 posted on 03/24/2014 2:26:30 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: Olog-hai; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

45 posted on 03/24/2014 4:50:45 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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I wonder how many anti-abortion Freepers are using the abortion causing drugs in question.


49 posted on 03/24/2014 5:22:15 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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On that point, they are correct. It is not abortion. It is murder. It in infanticide. And on Judgment Day, those who practice it will be judged accordingly.


51 posted on 03/24/2014 5:57:01 AM PDT by sport
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Sebelius is an idiot, if your religion believes life begins at conception, implantation is irrelevant... Hobby Lobby argument is religious freedom, obviously Sebelius et al have no idea about what religious beliefs entail.

Interfering in any way with the natural progression of that life, began at conception is murder, period. That’s the religious argument, this counter argument from the DOJ is laughable.


90 posted on 03/24/2014 1:06:42 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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