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The only reason blacks could be suspended more than whites is racism. There are lots more white than Asian teachers, and those white teachers are suspending more whites than Asians because they are biased against whites. Boys are no more disruptive than girls, so their higher suspension rates must also reflect bias. The classes that high schools offer have nothing to do with that the students are prepared to study. If there are more inexperienced teachers at mostly minority schools, it has nothing to do with how much respect those students show teachers.

The NYT treats any government report on racial "disparities" as the gospel truth.

1 posted on 03/21/2014 12:27:45 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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Maybe if we bussed kids from poor neighborhoods to schools in rich neighborhoods and vice versa...

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;-)


29 posted on 03/21/2014 12:47:59 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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Lessee....we’ve tried segregation and that hasn’t worked. We’ve tried Robin Hood tax distribution and that hasn’t worked. We’ve even tried *adjusting* the standardized tests and even that hasn’t worked.

Money (welfare, school breakfast, lunch and dinner programs, redistributing property/school taxes, etc.) and dumbing down the level of education and testing hasn’t worked, so what’s next?

Mandating that every two-parent white family have to raise (feed, clothe and educate) a minority child, until the age of 25?


31 posted on 03/21/2014 12:52:23 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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This is like saying it's not fair that blacks are disproportionately in prison for murder just because they commit 50% of the murders when they are only 12% of the population.
33 posted on 03/21/2014 12:56:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.")
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The blacks are also more likely to have no father at home, to be classroom discipline problems, to have low IQs.


41 posted on 03/21/2014 1:03:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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It seems like there are penalties for having three thousand years of advancing culture with resultant social -cultural evolution with resulting technological and economic progress. It just isnt fair for people with advanced understanding of what makes an advanced culture and having learned the lessons to do that should advance further than those with only 2-300 years.


45 posted on 03/21/2014 1:06:39 PM PDT by amnestynone
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Government school is child abuse!


48 posted on 03/21/2014 1:09:28 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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“black students face harsher discipline than other students.”
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How do we know if it’s harsher unless data was able to compare documented reasons why students were suspended in order to determine if the students are being given similar discipline for comparable behavior? This comparison includes socials skills sufficient for the offending student to indicate contrition and the intention to comply in the future when confronted, skills which fatherless children might not have learned.

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“To see that young African-American students — or babies, as I call them — are being suspended from pre-K programs at such horrendous rates is deeply troubling,” said Leticia Smith-Evans, interim director of education practice at the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund.

“It’s incredible to think about or fathom what pre-K students could be doing to get suspended from schools,” she added.”
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Why didn’t she do more than “think about” or “fathom” the reasons for which such young children were being suspended before she implied unfair treatment? We know statistically there are more single parent households (for now, the rates are changing with other races increasing) among African Americans and this could well drive behavioral difficulties as very young children transition to school environments. It’s a disservice to those whom they claim to care about to “not know” the reasons and just opine on what needs to change.

MOre schools which have majority African American students in the population are lacking the more rigorous class loads compared with white schools. How many of those majority black schools are administered by black leadership and staffed by black teachers? Are black educators and adminsitrators preventing black students from succeeding due to inherent racial bias?

Are those schools more likely to be staffed by less qualified teachers? Yes. But the people crying racism are likely to be the same people who hired the less qualified teachers. Schools of Education and the public school systems are frequently pressured to increase the quota of black teachers regardless of qualifications in order to “look like the population” and avoid the accusation that they were bigoted in hiring decisions. But if more underqualified teachers are hired to make quotas, it’s then bigotry?

In some cases, schools in which math and English skills are lagging among the student body (regardless of race), they strategically choose to focus on these elements of literacy instead of courses in Science or ALgebra. I observed a science class in an all white school (5th grade) in a privileged city during which time the white teacher repurposed the science class to teach literacy and counting skills instead. When I politely asked about her strategy (avoided saying “Why aren’t you teaching science?) she snapped “these kids are 1-2 years behind in basic reading comprehension because of Whole Language. They aren’t ready for science content!”

Looking at the data, black students in many urban poor areas perform two grade levels behind their peers (other races) so forcing them into Algebra or Chemistry classes is counter productive and likely to discourage them. Think about that - two grade levels behind. Attempts at school reform are aimed at bringing their performance up to that of their peers - is it any wonder they are not taking the same coursework? That’s not denying them access, that is offering coursework appropriate to their needs. So tailoring courses to meet remedial student needs is now “institutional racism?” How this kind of propaganda must breed the deepest resentment in parents and communities! Then students are not hired at the same rates upon graduation and the community can then point to these fake “disparities” in “access to education” and say a) if they had the same classes they could compete with their peers and b) the disparity in hiring is corporate institutional racism. That last one comes into play again when parents lobby to force school districts to graduate failing students to avoid disparity in graduation rates which are framed as more...institutional racism.

Try to set standards to identify students who aren’t keeping up and be charged with racism. Failing to admit underqualified students into competitive colleges, racism. Fail to promote underperforming employees, racism. Increased layoff or firings of underperforming black employees, racism. Not voting for an unqualified candidate to take political office, racism. Criticizing under performing or otherwise incompetent politicians, racism.

The Racism Card: Don’t Leave Home WIthout It.

And in the meantime, they seem to be doing NOTHING to help those kids they claim to care about.


49 posted on 03/21/2014 1:09:35 PM PDT by ransomnote
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You also have much lower academic attainment among blacks—so is it surprising they have less access to classes they’re not qualified for? That they thus might have less senior and less qualified teachers for their lower-level classes?


52 posted on 03/21/2014 1:10:49 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Racial minorities

Racial minorities?

Chinese?

Indian (Asian)?

Japanese?

Thomas Sowell does an excellent analysis, reprinted in his Thomas Sowell Reader, in which he shows that preferences for "minority" groups have not worked as intended, no matter where in the world they have been tried. One very negative side effect is that the size of the backlash from those excluded is far larger than the size of the "disadvantaged" group which was given preferential treatment.

The Thomas Sowell Reader

54 posted on 03/21/2014 1:15:42 PM PDT by BwanaNdege
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even by preschool these little kids show the effects of having no fathers and vapid clueless mothers and a chaotic unstructured homelife with no authority figures

teachers who deal with these kids are heroes


57 posted on 03/21/2014 1:19:21 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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The NYT assumes a reality that doesn’t exist and then when reality disagrees with their assumption they conclude that it’s reality that is wrong not their assumption.


58 posted on 03/21/2014 1:20:48 PM PDT by aquila48 (tota)
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Your facts are racist.


60 posted on 03/21/2014 1:33:02 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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How about single parent homes rather than race? Black children stats say 75% are born out of wedlock. They populate a higher percentage of the prison population. Yes, blacks are more likely to listen to Jesse & other race baiters to keep them on the democrat voter welfare plantation.


63 posted on 03/21/2014 1:42:04 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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Maybe good teachers don’t want to teach unmotivated, stupid kids, in a dangerous ghetto.


65 posted on 03/21/2014 1:51:40 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Christie are sure losers. No more!)
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I have a friend who is an assistant principal at an elementary school.

She told me they had to hire a “behavioral specialist” to get the kids “under control”. She said that the kids were “basically animals” and would “curse and hit the teachers and that the school district has tied there hands to discipline the kids”
He husband who teaches science at a middle school was shoved through a sheet rock wall at the end of the school year. He required a trip to the hospital by ambulance. The school did nothing to the kid. He has bad severe asthma, the kids have been spraying him in the face with deodorant saying “die motherfu**er die”. The school does nothing.

Can you guess the racial breakdown of the school????

How can teachers teach? How can good kids learn in that environment? They can’t. Test scores decline as discipline is done away with. Now Holder and Obama want to excuse this behavior?? Really....

Save your kids, grand kids, nieces and nephews...get them out of public school so they can learn. without the youth, America is finished.

Sorry, rant ran long...sore subject for me.


68 posted on 03/21/2014 2:19:26 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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I basically believe any report put together by a bunch of race hustling, lib scoundrels will be a pack of lies. There is not one school district in the country where black students out achieve other ethnic groups. In virtually every district, black students are on the bottom. Are all these school districts run by racist teachers and administrators determined to keep those black kids down? Of course not. The truth is too hard for libs to bear.


69 posted on 03/21/2014 2:21:23 PM PDT by driftless2
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How about putting it this way.

Any person if they wish to succeed in getting an education can succeed regardless of the school (or no school), regardless of the teachers and regardless of their background.

Especially in the age of the internet anyone can learn almost anything they want. They can probably find the materials on line for free.

My father was a high school drop out in the 1930s and at the age of 55 he taught himself calculus from a college text book he bought off of a used book rack.

Don’t tell me that racism or low education spending on minorities is holding minority students back from getting an education. Inner city teachers in Ohio typically are paid better than rural teachers by substantial amounts. Yet Inner city graduation rates are abysmal in comparison.

Getting an education is more about the efforts of the student than it is the effort of the teachers.

74 posted on 03/21/2014 2:44:27 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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Look lets get this over with, give them high school diplomas just like Gov cuomo will give to inmates who sign up for a college associates degree that will cost only 5000 dollars per inmate. As far as suspensions I believe if they suspend 50 black kids suspend 50 white kids and 50 asian kids this way it’s fair and all is happy. It’s not about disruption and the misbehaved it’s about being fair. If leon killed a person and went to jail we must also send joey and lu for the same crime even though they didnt committ a crime, see how easy it is.....


83 posted on 03/21/2014 5:16:27 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Zippy the a##clown sez..............)
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