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To: Jacquerie

Forgive my lateness to the party and my naiveté with regard to an Art V COS...but isn’t this dangerous? Sort of like opening Pandora’s box? How can this be guaranteed to only address the issues that are listed? How can we be sure that other important things (like the Bill of Rights)can’t be changed, watered down, etc. I’m concerned this is a vehicle to change the intent from a Constitution that provides protection of rights received from our Creator to rights given and guaranteed by the government...which we all know is a disaster. I am all for restricting the power and reach of the federal government, and returning to founding principles and strengthening States’ rights, but want to be sure this is the best way to do so.


11 posted on 03/18/2014 3:57:19 AM PDT by ripnbang ("An armed man is a citizen, an unarmed man a subject")
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To: ripnbang

I think the ones calling for this want to see the right to free speech, right to bare arms, to be either watered down or taken away. What a great way to add in marriage equality for all while they are at it. I don’t know if these folks are naive or just stupid. We are walking into a very dangerous land mind if they do this. Liberals are very excited seeing these folks calling for this. It will completely change America as we know it.


13 posted on 03/18/2014 4:08:44 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: ripnbang; napscoordinator
Please take the time to consider what the Left has done since the 16th and 17th amendments to our beloved constitution and society these past hundred years.

Beginning with those two, and without going through the legitimate amendment process, the constitution has been transformed from a liberty securing document and into a political Frankenstein, a monster of oppression. Unwritten amendments from Scotus and written ones in the form of executive orders have repealed whole swaths of most Articles.

Take a stroll through the Bill of Rights. Pause at each clause. By my reckoning, the only clauses still in full effect deal with quartering troops in private homes and our right to defense counsel. The 2A is under continuous attack, and it exists as a practical matter only because of gun rights groups.

My ultimate point is the limits and rules of the printed constitution are for practical purposes nonexistent.

The Left’s victory is nearly complete. Daily Kos and my rat state senator oppose an Article V state amendment convention because they know they can only lose. Patriots have nothing to lose at a state amendment convention. This convention is our last remaining peaceful means to restore freedom. It is certainly no guarantee.

We are no longer a self-governing people, perhaps with the exception of Article V. It still exists; it is our last remaining hope to restore freedom.

16 posted on 03/18/2014 4:27:33 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Obama has established executive branch precedents that no election can reverse. Article V.)
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To: ripnbang

No


17 posted on 03/18/2014 4:33:32 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: ripnbang
Forgive my lateness to the party and my naiveté...

That is forgiven. Your concerns are, and should be everyone's concerns, before and initially ramping up on the COS. It is my understanding now that all 50 states have some level of organizing for a COS. Read up on it, start with Article V itself, go to conventionofstates.com web site, read various legislature's bills to allay concerns, read FR threads, and so on. Find your states chapter of the convention of states, they typically have a website and/or facebook page, meetings and gatherings.

Be aware of folks that put this down knowing little. The tipoff is they insert the term "con-con" right in the first sentence. This is NOT a Constitutional Convention; it is an alternate method to propose amendments to limit the federal government's power, and do so outside the auspices of the federal govt, but rather by states themselves. One vote one state. The ratification method of these amendments, the same as any source for an amendment, is one main safety firewall that should help alleviate many concerns. 13 states can kill ANY amendment coming out of COS.

18 posted on 03/18/2014 4:35:20 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: ripnbang; napscoordinator
"... isn’t this dangerous...like opening Pandora’s box? ..."
"... How can we be sure that other important things can’t be changed ..."
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"... the ones calling for this want to see the right to free speech,
right to bear arms, to be either watered down or taken away ..."
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The resolutions call for an Article V Convention of the States
for the sole purpose of proposing amendments to the Constitution which:
-Impose fiscal restraints on the Federal Government;
-Limit the power and jurisdiction of the Federal Government; and
-Limit the terms of office for federal officials and members of Congress.
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An Article V Convention of States cannot amend the Constitution.
An Article V Convention of States is simply a formal gathering of delegates
from at least 34 states to discuss, debate, and "propose amendments" to the Constitution.

Any proposal not within the stated purpose of the Convention of States
(fiscal restraints; limits on power and jurisdiction; limits on terms of office)
would be unauthorized, rejected, and not approved by the Convention of States.

An Article V Convention of States cannot amend the Constitution.
Any proposal that emerged as a "proposed amendment" by the Convention of States
would still require ratification by 38 states, the same as with any other proposed amendment.
21 posted on 03/18/2014 4:58:18 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: ripnbang

You asked good questions... hopefully, this may answer some of them:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3134401/posts?page=36#36

And this...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3134401/posts?page=48#48


74 posted on 03/19/2014 10:59:24 PM PDT by Strawberry AZ
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