Posted on 03/16/2014 7:38:45 PM PDT by MarMema
Ukraine’s acting president, Oleksander Turchynov, has accused Russian-supported forces in Crimea of “working on scenarios which are fully analogous with Abkhazia.” The notion that the “model” of Abkhazia from the 2008 Russia-Georgia war fits Russia’s moves in Crimea is a theme adopted by many media pundits, as well.
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McPain has been on Soros' payroll for some time.
And I agree. They need to find their own way out of being dependent on a bully.
Fascinating since he once said "We are all Georgians now".
Thanks to all for the info on McCain. I don't know much about him.
McCain also said “We’re all Ukrainians now.”
Uhh, no we’re not, John.
We have never been that way... Korea, Vietnam, the Serbs and Iraq 1 and 2 AND Afghanistan were fought under UN auspices. They were global interventions.
Some logical results of previous actions taken by what became the enemy and some were media induced or helped along by them. I'll let you guess which ones were brought on by the leftist wizards of smart. Hint is that the Serbs is one.
Which is why there were no boots on the ground.
The cold war that I grew up with was the result of Russian aggression. The same aggression we are seeing now but it's less obvious. There is not a single legitimate reason to defend Russia's actions anywhere but in the Caucuses. They are simply natural aggressors in a similar way that two generations of Germans were.
You cannot change the stripes on the zebra or a snake. If you must, you have to exterminate them. A war that is never won only invited further aggression down the road and that is what we have here because we conquered Germany.
You can sit around and may excuses for their behaviors but I will never buy into them. They have no rational excuses. At some point, you will realize that Patton was correct by advocating that the US Army, sitting on their hands in Europe, should proceed to the east and pacify Russia.
Unfortunately, Ike thought he was crazy.
No kidding!! I must have missed that. Too funny.
Not one poster here who is neutral about Putin can forget that.It is posted endlessly. To which I often want to reply that we had Ziggy Brzezinski.
And look, he is the largest idiot ever. ziggy
Remember those comments on America being exceptional?
"“[American exceptionalism] is a reaction to the inability of people to understand global complexity or important issues like American energy dependency. Therefore, they search for simplistic sources of comfort and clarity. And the people that they are now selecting to be, so to speak, the spokespersons of their anxieties are, in most cases, stunningly ignorant.” ― Zbigniew Brzezinski
And don't miss this
"America must therefore shape a political context that is congenial to Russia's assimilation into a larger framework of European cooperation, while fostering the independence of its newly sovereign neighbors."
And to further endear him to many of us he said 'Now that the USSR has fallen, the remaining enemy of the west is the Orthodox church'
Ziggy wrote, of course, a book - The Grand Chessboard. Ironically it was mostly a remake of geopolitics from Mackinder. I say ironically because Russia now has a geopolitical dirtbag by the name of Aleksandr Dugin. Anyway I don't know how much you know about geopolitics but Ziggy thought Russia should be broken up to reduce her power.
It is important to understand that Putin is not operating in a vaccuum. We in the west have sown many seeds of distrust in their direction.
As long as we have little dictators, and authoritarian governments on this planet, we will have wars, little ones and big ones.
Putin is a autocrat. and he uses hatred for the west in exactly the same way as every authoritarian on the planet does, and those are ones who start the wars. Not us.
I know exactly what your opinions are, as I have heard them all my life and they are not new. They date back to the 1930s and even earlier if you go global and see it in other countries.
Yes, we are, or at least were exceptional because we were different.
But opinions like yours are making us now more similar to any other country on the road to utter failure..
This is why we have another civil war brewing. If not reversed it will be upon us with the first catalyst to get it started and it won't be a person like me who does that. It will be a person like you.
Your opinions date back prior to Marx. And they are inspired, and used by Marxists to divide and conquer societies. They have failed in the US largely because we don't buy into them and thus we are unique.
Some call the exception to the rule. Or exceptional.
Go hate something other than America or you will find yourself getting more and more angry because you can't find enough suckers to buy the idea that the US is not solving the worlds problems or protecting other countries sovereignty, but is as you believe, the real problem in the world.
If that idea ever does catch on, we are finished, and I for one would advocate burning whats left of the country to save it. I would advocate a cleansing revolution to save America's exceptionalism.
Yes I would...
Actually the Allies did invade Russia in WW 1. They still remember it too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War
Which opinions do you find to be Marxist? I am a rabid supporter of the free market and capitalism, so I doubt that you know of what you post. But I am open to reading your feedback. Just be clear instead of simply hurling accusations.
....”those are ones who start the wars. Not us”....
LOLOLOL......that America is long gone.
Anyway...it set me off like a stick of dynamite up my wazzoo...
All that stuff about Brzezinski was all unrelated to what we are talking about here..the crack he made about the US going after the orthodox Christians was a reference to various explosive rejections of protestants in the distant past that have absolutely nothing to do with US policy and never have. He like most readers of European thinking believes that the US is comprised of all protestants who wield all the power. Of course he is full of it.
However I do not reject the idea that a religious war could happen in this time or the future, largely because of the Muslims. But not the orthodox Christians who'd primary problem in Eastern Europe has been Muslims, not protestants.
My grandparents were Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Catholics when they immigrated. The black veil and all black and fully covered clothing..Don't see to much of it anymore..
But the idea as most of his ideas were all quasi intellectual garbage. IMO. Those opinions and many others came or stemmed from Marxist European intellectuals, (the home of Marx) and they as most Marxist writings, are specifically designed to pit group against group. for whatever purpose, but to a European they are the truth. Which is why they cannot and have not been able to get out of their own way for much of the last 150 years. Another example why America is exceptional.
That was a ZIGGY QUOTE, not mine.
I was pointing out that recently when it hit the news, it had historical significance. Ziggy said that, not me.
My point is that the Russians think Ziggy is representative of Americans and our goals in foreign policy.
I am an Orthodox Christian.
"“[American exceptionalism] is a reaction to the inability of people to understand global complexity or important issues like American energy dependency. Therefore, they search for simplistic sources of comfort and clarity. And the people that they are now selecting to be, so to speak, the spokespersons of their anxieties are, in most cases, stunningly ignorant.” ― Zbigniew Brzezinski
The Communist Chinese believe it and they think that they have created free markets, and in fact will vigorously argue that they do. Oh how politics changes over time...
Marx, if he were alive today, would probably advocate the same.
In the US, your average progressive liberal is all for it, except for the evil banks and big corporations. So as long as they can be appointed to run those companies, it's OK by them...lol...(The Chinese communists love those things)
So the reality is that the American left is totally clueless but they think they are smarter than the average American who should look to them for leadership in all things important.
Frankly, I think all of your opinions go back to GWB and his father for getting the US into foreign entanglements that you see as the cause of all bad things and that we should be more isolationist.
That actually is a classical socialist idea.(now Libertarian) One that the Republican party once advocated, before Democrats went left and Republicans moved right.
Geopolitics has never been the American socialist expertise. Largely because American socialists are social reformers and not geopolitical thinkers. This is not the case for European socialists.
I think the reason is that American Socialists are really Marxist inspired communists. They can't say that, so they hide under the socialist or progressive label and only a few will call themselves socialist.
European Liberals are more akin to republicans here...and the European right winger is really out there in the far side zone of improbability called the right wing because the European socialist don't want to be associated with Hitler. When in reality there is a association. Hitler was certainly not a US style conservative. Hitler, was nationalist socialist...and he went to the same place socialism goes if unchecked.. Conservatives unchecked go to Theocracy.(sometimes) But all unchecked governments end up autocratic, It's the nature of the beast.
I am now officially rambling so I have to get some sleep.
I remember listening to his stuff when I was in my late teens and early twenties. I think he may have been fodder for the network, just as Conservatives are treated today.
I found a much better intellectual understanding of geopolitics with William F. Buckley.
You summarized this very well.
“The precedent was really set in Kosovo where Clinton backed the breaking off a piece of Serbia.”
BS! No western country annexed Kosovo or even had any troops there prior to their secession vote.
The majority Muslims wanted out of ‘greater Serbia’ like Bosnia, Croatia, etc. but the Serbs wouldn’t let them so they voted to secede from Serbia. Western intervention was in support of Kosovo’s secession. It was not to annex it.
Without defending Russia, the whole narrative the Western media has been pushing is highly misleading at best. Because of the internet, everyone in the world who is not too lazy to click some links and read a few articles from a diverse set of sources knows this.
Our leaders are still acting like no one has any other sources of information than their own pronouncements.
They screwed up by backing the coup. The deposed president already signed a deal to have early elections soon and to repeal laws against protesters. If the protests are in fact indicative of the mood of the majority Ukrainians, why would the US, who never shuts up about democracy, back this coup? Why not just say “Yanukovich is still the president until the new elections?”
People in non-Western countries are thinking the obvious...that the US/EU is concerned it may not actually have the votes. Remember, Yanukovych won last time. The protesters are not universally loved, many of the Kiev protesters were bused in and the large number of people in Kiev who voted for Yanukovych can’t be happy about them trashing the city. Even worse, an election now might bring to power Svoboda and the openly neo-fascist “Right Sector”, which dominated the hardcore protesters, with Yanukovych a close second, or vice versa. The strong possibility is that the West’s chosen leaders will come in a distant third to what are basically skinhead soccer hooligan types who never got more than tiny numbers of votes before and even to Russia’s stooges.
This kind of election free transition allows the right people to be put in charge and to have some control over the media and other state organs to shape the environment for a later election. It also essentially dissolves the party that one the last election. It not hard to see how doing this increases the likelihood of the “right peoples” winning if and when an election is held.
In non-Anglo and especially non-Western countries, the protests will be seen as a provocation. That concept has disappeared from our mainstream culture, but is still culturally salient elsewhere. What this means is that it is obvious to any neutral observer that some of the protesters deliberately attacked the police precisely to provoke a violent reaction, whether in self defense or in anger, that could then be used in anti-government propaganda(in the broad, value-neutral sense). The US is downplaying this aspect of the situation, but everywhere else, where things like this are more common, it will work to undermine the West’s position. Especially in the enormous number of countries where the man on the street does not like the CIA.
I think the natural good naturedness of most Americans and the lack of intrigue in our political history compared to most places make Americans uniquely susceptible to swallowing shallow “democracy” and “human rights” narratives that are presented a certain way by the media/politicians. We have to be aware that most non-Americans will be more suspicious of our leaders motives and less accepting of their attempts to make excuses when caught in a lie.
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