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Russian upper house approves use of force in Ukraine
CNN ^ | March 1, 2014 | Laura Smith-Spark. Diana Magnay and Ingrid Formanek

Posted on 03/01/2014 7:10:27 AM PST by maggief

Simferopol, Ukraine (CNN) -- [Breaking News Update, 10:02 a.m. ET] (CNN) -- Russia's upper house of parliament voted Saturday to approve the use of military force in Ukraine. The vote was unanimous.

[Original Story, published 9:23 a.m. ET]

(CNN) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin has asked the upper house of parliament for approval to send Russian troops into Ukraine's Crimea region to normalize the political situation there, the Kremlin said Saturday.

Due to the "extraordinary situation in Ukraine," Putin said, there are threats to the lives of Russian citizens and Russian military personnel based in the southern Crimean region.

It comes on the same day that the new pro-Russian leader of Crimea, Sergey Aksyonov, asked Putin for help in maintaining peace in the Black Sea peninsula -- where Russia has a major naval base at Sevastopol.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: happyhour; obamaukraine; putin; russia; russiaambassador; ukraine; ukrainecrisis; wwiii
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To: dfwgator
Blame Khrushchev for this. Of course back then Khrushchev had no idea the Soviet Union would one day break up...But this issue should have been one of the very first things settled after the breakup of the Soviet Union, and Yeltsin was too drunk to deal with it.

It was settled - Ukraine kept the Crimea and gave up its nukes.

101 posted on 03/01/2014 9:36:36 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf

Gee, ya think.

Like being in Danzig in August 1939.


102 posted on 03/01/2014 9:36:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: maggief; All
First reports of an armed clash, with casualties, coming in from Simferopol
103 posted on 03/01/2014 9:37:11 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Zhang Fei

Wasn’t worth it....if they’d given up the Crimea, the rest would be in the EU and NATO by now.


104 posted on 03/01/2014 9:37:32 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: maggief

The problem that we’re having is that Putin is a leader.

A dictator no good, but still a leader.

And we have a pot smoking, peace activist Community organizer in charge over here.

I don’t have any respect for Obama and I’m not leading a hostile foreign regime.


105 posted on 03/01/2014 9:39:00 AM PST by Tzimisce
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To: HiTech RedNeck

... maybe too late.

http://www.wifr.com/home/headlines/State-Department-Warns-Americans-on-Ukraine-Travel-247961141.html

WASHINGTON (AP) — The State Department is warning U.S. citizens to put off all nonessential travel to Ukraine, and particularly Crimea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26387567

The Foreign Office has urged all UK citizens in Crimea to leave amid escalating violence.

It is also advising against all travel to the peninsula in the south of troubled Ukraine, with those remaining advised to “keep a low profile”.


106 posted on 03/01/2014 9:39:49 AM PST by maggief
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To: dfwgator

Another Twitter Report:

“Russian naval vessels including “Moskva” reported headed towards Ukr naval vessels off Crimea coast”


107 posted on 03/01/2014 9:40:03 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: goldstategop; maggief
"The Russian Ambassador is going to get a dressing down from the country that had the sun set on its empire?"

The Foreign Minister is going to dramatically read Tennyson's The Charge of the Light Brigade to the Ambassador...

108 posted on 03/01/2014 9:40:12 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It would be kind of like the Mexican army stepping into the US if things got hot for La Raza, if I understand this situation correctly. The Ukraine has no love lost for Russia. The best we could hope is that Russians would leave the Ukraine behind. Doubt if Putin is just going to call them home though.

It's worse - imagine if Mexico had deliberately starved millions of Americans to death during its former reign over the US in order to crush American opposition.

109 posted on 03/01/2014 9:40:24 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

That’s what the Ukraine has been doing to Crimea?

Yikes. You just don’t DO that to the Bear.


110 posted on 03/01/2014 9:42:06 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: tcrlaf

Now the Canadians have done the same:

“OTTAWA-The Department of Foreign Affairs is advising against travel to Ukraine’s Crimea region and says Canadians already there should consider leaving “while it is safe to do so.”

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4392009-ottawa-advises-canadians-in-ukraine-s-crimea-region-to-leave/?utm_content=buffer742ba&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


111 posted on 03/01/2014 9:42:56 AM PST by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: Zhang Fei

OK. Holodomor. The Ukrainians had a grudge, understandably.

Well it’s going to be messy. Russia going to reclaim Crimea now?


112 posted on 03/01/2014 9:43:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The annexation of foreign territory

That foreign territory has been part of the USSR/Russia for the last 300+ years.

113 posted on 03/01/2014 9:46:24 AM PST by duckln
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To: tcrlaf
Uh-oh. Honestly none of this is a big surprise so far, but a potential shootout between navy ships?

Very bad, and maybe about to get worse. Much worse.

114 posted on 03/01/2014 9:46:33 AM PST by OKSooner ("As the riders went on by him, he heard one call his name...")
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To: duckln

Correcting Khrushchev’s mistake.


115 posted on 03/01/2014 9:47:08 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: goldstategop

Think of the US and let’s say Panama. If our military and citizens were threatened by a revolution (or maybe a drug dealing dictator), what do you think the US would do?

I’m not backing Putin but I’m just saying...


116 posted on 03/01/2014 9:49:59 AM PST by Woodman
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To: Woodman

Imagine Jimmy Carter giving Southern California to Mexico.

That’s why Khrushchev did with The Crimea, for all intents and purposes.


117 posted on 03/01/2014 9:53:16 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: HiTech RedNeck
That’s what the Ukraine has been doing to Crimea? Yikes. You just don’t DO that to the Bear.

The Russians starved millions of Ukrainians to death. Khrushchev was the Butcher of Ukraine. After WWII, the Red Army slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians while putting down a Ukrainian insurrection led by Stepan Bandera. That's the background for Khrushchev's "gift" of the Crimea to Ukraine. It was a peace offering, a consolation prize. I have no idea how emotive this issue is to Ukrainians, but given that Russia has never offered reparations of any kind other than the territorial one, it may be more significant than anyone thinks, and significant enough that Ukrainians are willing to die (and kill Russian troops) in large numbers to keep. Ukrainians are descended from the Cossacks whom the Russians have repeatedly massacred in large numbers in order to keep Ukraine within the Russian empire. In a way, Ukrainians share a history with the Poles of repeated large-scale insurrections against Russia, but without successfully holding the Russians off long enough to regain their independence.

118 posted on 03/01/2014 9:53:43 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Ukrainian insurrection led by Stepan Bandera.

The only people Bandera and his crew hated more than Russians, were Poles. They were despicable characters, on par with the Ustashe in Croatia.

119 posted on 03/01/2014 9:55:26 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Woodman
Think of the US and let’s say Panama. If our military and citizens were threatened by a revolution (or maybe a drug dealing dictator), what do you think the US would do? I’m not backing Putin but I’m just saying...

A revolution in the Philippines (an ex-colony of the US) toppled Ferdinand Marcos. We were turfed from our bases less than a decade later. We stood by.

120 posted on 03/01/2014 9:56:19 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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