Posted on 02/19/2014 12:43:09 PM PST by xzins
Our ever so helpful government has decided that your wood burning stove is now a danger to the world. In another attempt to outlaw the off grid lifestyle, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the same agency that was recently caught using drones to spy on Americans, is now going after home owners who use Wood Burning Stoves to heat their homes.
Shortly after the re-election of President Obama, the agency announced new radical environmental regulations that threaten to effect people who live off the grid. The EPA’s new environmental regulations reduce the amount of airborne fine-particle matter from 15 micrograms to 12 micrograms per cubic meter of air.
This means that most wood burning stoves would now fall into a class that would deemed unacceptable under these new draconian measures. The EPA has even launched a nifty new website called burn wise to try to sway public opinion.
On their site, while trying to convince people to get rid of their old stoves and buy the new EPA-certified stoves, they state that these older stove must be scraped and cannot be resold.
From the EPA Site:
The local air pollution agency says I can’t sell my old wood stove to help pay for an EPA-certified wood stove. Why is that? Replacing an older stove with a cleaner-burning stove will not improve air quality if the older stove is reused somewhere else. For this reason, wood stove change out programs usually require older stoves to be destroyed and recycled as scrap metal, or rendered inoperable.
Let’s hope this doesn’t fall under the jurisdiction of the newly created Department of Homeland Security Environmental Justice Units? The next thing you know we might all be getting a knock at the door….. Your Neighbor reported that you might be burning some wood, do you mind if we take a look around?
This guy has done all the hard work,all we have to do is duplicate what he built.I’m pretty excited to see his videos-thanks again for the link.
Check Ebay for outdoor wood boilers/furnaces.Some of them are really capable units,can heat a home,a shop,provide hot water and even heat a swimming pool.We bought a forced air unit 4 years ago,no water used-the hot air is ducted into the house.
My paternal grandfather used to use an open fireplace and he insisted on having the door that opened on the front porch on the East side of the house left open even in the very worst weather. He said fresh air was more important than being warm.
;D
I feel safer already...
Will I have to comply with these EPA mandates if I am burning firearms or aborted fetuses?
Didn’t think so
Lets go medieval on them....
In the island villages in the Aegean Sea of Greece...the villages would make their stone walled houses in the mountains with stone chimneys running horizontally and then upward to dissipate the smoke..
the idea was to prevent pirates from identifying the village from the sea.
Thanks for the link. I believe in prepping with three backups. This just happened to be the project I was studying. One thing I have an abundance of is dead fall. BTTT.
Not really an “doomsdayer prepper” type but do recognize the need for being as independent for times of emergencies( i.e. power outages mostly and cutting heating costs, always a plus in my book) and have family members who may be “extended visitors” and like to accommodate them in the basics
And daily reading news stories about "our" government's ridiculous regulations and encroachments on our rights, as well as the Fed's “emergency preparations” makes think twice before calling preppers wackos...
A man is chopping wood in front of his cabin in the middle of stinking nowhere in the French countryside with his two teenaged daughters doing other work. A car with a truck behind it approaches in the distance. It is a car full of Nazi SS and the truck has about 15 soldiers. The guy in the car is very nice but eventually cuts to the chase. There is a missing jewish family from way back and he just wants to finish up the paperwork to clean it off his to-do list.
In the end they are shooting through the floorboards at the family hiding below.
Not that we have a problem with our government and Jews, but even back then, they would find and scrutinize you no matter where you lived. Our current government is even more vindictive and has much better technology. If the SHTF and our government is intact, nobody will survive “off the grid”. They will share the suffering any way they can.
The water for the furnace is treated with anti-freeze and corrosion resistance. I did not need to add to it this year, so I’m running on the same water from last year. It cycles through the system, and it is in the range of 185 degrees when it leaves the furnace. It travels underground no more than a hundred feet via the pumping action, so I imagine it stays in the 165 to 185 range very easily with the constant recycling through the furnace.
The line going to the water heater is so hot that it heats the water in the heater beyond our ability to touch it when it comes out the faucet. Since you can have your hot water in the water heater continue even in a power outage, by means of a small amount of generator juice to your furnace, you can have a constant supply of hot water from your own water heater throughout any blackout.
Well since you just posted an admission of a federal crime on a public forum, you probably won’t have to wait long.
Patriots do not understand that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate the environment. But even if the states had delegated such powers to the feds, the Founding States had made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches, or in non-elected federal beaurocrats. So Congress has a constitutional monopoly on federal legislative / regulatory powers whether it wants it or not. And by delegating such powers to non-elected bureaucrats, Congress is wrongly protecting federal legislative powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of the statutes referenced above.
What patriots need to do to get the unconstitutionally big federal government off of their backs is the following imo. Once patriots get themselves up to speed with the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, they need to enlighten state lawmakers, who are probably as constitutionally clueless as the people who elected them, with the federal government's constitutionally limited powers. Then patriots and state lawmakers can work as a team to stop Congress from regulating state power issues, such as the environment, which the feds have no constitutional authority to address.
Note that the states can always amend the Constitution to delegate to Congress the specific power to protect the environment should the states decide that doing so is the best approach to protecting the environment.
Patriots do not understand that the states have never delegated to Congress, via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate the environment. But even if the states had delegated such powers to the feds, the Founding States had made the first numbered clauses in the Constitution, Sections 1-3 of Article I, to clarify that all federal legislative powers are vested in the elected members of Congress, not in the executive or judicial branches, or in non-elected federal beaurocrats. So Congress has a constitutional monopoly on federal legislative / regulatory powers whether it wants it or not. And by delegating such powers to non-elected bureaucrats, Congress is wrongly protecting federal legislative powers from the wrath of the voters in blatant defiance of the statutes referenced above.
What patriots need to do to get the unconstitutionally big federal government off of their backs is the following imo. Once patriots get themselves up to speed with the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, they need to enlighten state lawmakers, who are probably as constitutionally clueless as the people who elected them, with the federal government's constitutionally limited powers. Then patriots and state lawmakers can work as a team to stop Congress from regulating state power issues, such as the environment, which the feds have no constitutional authority to address.
Note that the states can always amend the Constitution to delegate to Congress the specific power to protect the environment should the states decide that doing so is the best approach to doing so.
Sorry for the double post.
Sounds like a very resourceful system.
And expensive.
In your opinion, are the benefits worth the expensse of your investment?
Thanks again,
Red.
I burn my own wood, so it paid for itself in 3 years. I don’t have the papers in front of me, but it was just under $8000, and that includes the installation.
Most wood I see in our area is about $35-45 for a pickup load. I’ve never estimated what it would take to buy the wood. I believe it would still be cheaper than oil or propane heat. Southern Ohio winters vary, but if you figure an average of the mid-twenties Fahrenheit, for Dec, Jan, and Feb, then you’d be in the ballpark. Add Nov & Mar in the 30’s, and you’d have about 5 months of heating to provide for.
My guess is a thousand bucks, so that’s probably a little less than most folks winter heating bill. It would take them longer to break even, but they would. The heat is a good quality, warm heat, unlike electrical heat.
And, I’m heating water and an additional 625 sq ft building, so for a typical 2000 sq ft home, I imagine it would be less than a thousand.
Our system paid for itself the first year we installed it.
If you have your own wood supply, and we do, it's a no brainer to have one of these as long as you're not in an urban setting.
I'm thankful that ours was purchased a few years before the new designs were mandated in my fascist state. There are some of these in operation near me and reports are that they can temperamental to operate if the wood isn't nearly bone dry.
I’ve also heard that the new EPA standard furnace has to have nearly bone dry wood. I’ve not seen one of the new ones, but driving by the dealership a few times, the new ones look an awful lot like the old ones. I suspect that they just made an add-on that recycles some of the smoke. If that’s the case, an after-market removal could be very simple. In my case, my nearest neighbor is at least a football field away, so with my higher smokestack I don’t really worry about bothering them with smoke. In any case, they’re country people, too, and the idea of complaining about smoke from a neighbor’s furnace probably isn’t a thought they’d ever come up with. If anything, they’d be more likely to comment on how they like the smell of a wood fire.
But, if I were really forced to, I could easily cut the wood two years out and let it sit. The savings in energy costs would make it worthwhile.
They produce very little ash and emissions and also burn less wood. They also cost a great amount more - the model we'd need to heat our place is now over 15k, nearly three times the cost we paid for our old smoke belcher.
Wood selection is critical. With ours, we can burn any wood that can burn - green, dry, rotten, pine, etc. That can't be done (with ease) on the new models.
I think if I lived in an area with nearby neighbors and limited access to wood, I'd give one of the new models consideration, but with a jar of Vaseline in hand to help ease the pain in the arse price!
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