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Ukraine: Deadly clashes around parliament in Kiev
BBC News ^ | 2/18/2014

Posted on 02/18/2014 11:55:44 AM PST by Beave Meister

Violent clashes have erupted during anti-government protests in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, with at least nine people, including two policemen, dead.

In the worst violence in weeks, police used rubber bullets and stun grenades as thousands of protesters marching on parliament.

A deadline set by the security forces for the violence to end has passed with no immediate sign of police action.

The clashes came as MPs were due to debate changes to the constitution.

The proposals would curb the powers of President Viktor Yanukovych, but the opposition say they were blocked from submitting their draft, meaning no debate could take place.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said she was "deeply worried" by the escalation of violence, and urged politicians to "address the root causes".

Russia blamed the upsurge in violence on "connivance by Western politicians and European structures" and their refusal to consider the "aggressive actions" of radical factions within the protest movement.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: communist; kiev; liberals; militarypolice; obama; protest; putin; roits; russia; socialist; ukraine
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To: Navy Patriot; Ivan Mazepa

Unfortunately, it appears that most of of Ukraine’s major politicians are corrupt. Some are more repressive than others, however.

There is far more than the energy access “wedge” going on, though that IS part of the picture. If the US gov’t had any sanity at all, we’d push for Western European access to all the energy it needs, including from Saudi Arabia, but we would also ramp up our own and Canada’s contribution to the global energy market as much as possible, thereby depressing prices and driving down Saudi’s income.

Actually, it might not matter. Even with all the money in the world, the Muslim world is too fractured and (with modest effort on our part) too easily turned against itself for the Caliphate to ever be successfully accomplished.

Also... Obama will be gone in a few years, and maybe even (longshot) effectively neutered by 2015. With the US, the Ukraine has a chance of a halfway honest friend in a few years. With Russia, it has no such chance.

Lord, it’s late... G’night, all...


141 posted on 02/19/2014 1:44:28 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: Paul R.

yep, me too.

http://espreso.tv/stream

The live stream shows a squad (8 guys?) getting close to the protester’s wall. The gov’t guys are throwing rocks at the protesters!


142 posted on 02/19/2014 2:54:38 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Ivan Mazepa

Welcome back, Ivan.


143 posted on 02/19/2014 4:32:28 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Ivan Mazepa
Добро пожаловать!
144 posted on 02/19/2014 4:36:54 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave
Дякую / Спасибо
145 posted on 02/19/2014 5:32:18 AM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: wardaddy

At the very beginning, had been a peaceful protest against a president wanting to take the country back to Russia. Number of violent police crackdowns later, hundreds of arrests, some kidnappings and dead people in the forest have failed to pacify the population. Today, capital city is under a lockdown, in the western part of the country they stormed police stations to get weapons.

The whole case is an example of how not to handle a crisis.


146 posted on 02/19/2014 5:45:58 AM PST by Ivan Mazepa
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To: sergeantdave
...neo-Nazi Soros butt-boys...

A piece of advice: after using Google Translate from Russian FSB instructions, double check the spelling.

147 posted on 02/19/2014 6:05:17 AM PST by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Paul R.
All considered, however, the Russians have much greater ability, reason, and will, to subjugate the Ukrainians and keep them subjugated, than does the EU.

True, now reference the Clinton war against Serbia to establish a Muslim organized crime/terrorist support state in Kosovo a Serbian Christian Province.

Russia objected and stood against NATO forces at the airport, but could do little more.

Keep in mind, Serbia was a US ally, fought for and saved hundreds of US airmen against the Nazi in WWII, and how they were treated by UN and NATO for resisting Muslim invasion from Albania.

The EU could not subjugate and hold Rhode Island if it were made independent and moved to the French-German border...

True, that's what they have NATO and the US for, the only difference is now, Russia has the capability to make NATO and the EU very sorry for trying that Muslim nation building again, witness Georgia, and the battlefield will be Ukraine.

148 posted on 02/19/2014 9:35:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: wardaddy
Can someone in a few paragraphs explain what this is about in the Ukraine

Without being a smartass, the answer is no, you have to understand about a thousand years of history to really appreciate the spot Ukraine is in.

149 posted on 02/19/2014 9:41:42 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I remember seeing that Serbian logic before. So, if we allow the Russians to do what they did to Georgia, and actually occupy portions of that country, then bombing Serbia was ok?
150 posted on 02/19/2014 12:39:59 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: wardaddy
Ukraine was planning to align itself with the EU via a trade agreement. Russia came in with an offer that was impossible to refuse. The current president of Ukraine sided with Russia. A portion of his population began protesting his decision.

Oh, and our FR Borscht Brigade parachuted in to tell us it's all about the Saudis, Muslims, and George Soros.

151 posted on 02/19/2014 12:43:59 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Go elsewhere with your pretzel logic questions.


152 posted on 02/19/2014 12:57:16 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Navy Patriot
I got my answer, thanks:

bombing Serbia = not ok
bombing Georgia = not ok

Or, the opposite.

It seems rather odd that the Serbs would argue that being allies of the US during the 40's somehow outweighs the Georgians being allies of the US during the 00's.

153 posted on 02/19/2014 1:03:55 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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