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Doctors Abandoning Private Practice in Droves to Work at Hospitals
Pajamas Media ^ | 02/15/2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 02/16/2014 7:03:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

And when the whole system is so mucked up no on in their right mind would become a docter?


41 posted on 02/16/2014 10:02:42 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: Organic Panic

Give it 10 years the new physicians are being trained for the new system. They will not know another way. It is already over. Some just do not know yet. Those over 40 know. I predict physicians will be forced to take .gov patients and the physicians will eventually be members of a Union living off .gov and griping. Very few will be in Private Practice except those that accept cash only. If I can just make it 9 more years as an employee I plan on doing that to end out my days.. Do not have enough money to do that now..


42 posted on 02/16/2014 10:15:03 AM PST by therut
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To: steve86
Let me clue you in on Urgent Care Facilities. They are manned by physicians who cannot or do not want to work hard to get ahead. For example, my daughter was in Shreveport visiting a friend. She got sick and developed a generalize abdominal pain. An oriental woman (physician) who could not speak English, diagnosed her with a urinary tract infection. She called me and after talking-to her for about 3 minutes could see it was not a simple UTI. I told her to go back to the clinic and have that idiot doctor call me. I spoke with the doctor, who explained that she had diagnosed a bladder infection. I nicely asked her if she had considered a surgical abdomen….it sounded to me like an appendicitis. She excused herself said that she would do a CBC with a differential white blood cell count. She then evaluated my daughter only then considering an acute abdomen. She then agreed with me that it was probably appendicitis. She went to the hospital and saw a surgeon who diagnosed her with acute appendicitis. She had her appendix taken out and went home 24 hours later.

If she had not been diagnosed and operated the appendix would have ruptured converting a 24 hour stay in the hospital to a 7 day stay for generalized peritonitis, possible abcess sequestration and development, bowel obstruction or worse. I live in Texas 250 miles from Shreveport La. Most people do not have a father who are general surgeons and who has a high index of suspicion for acute surgical abdomens. So……..you conclude what will happen. This taking down the best (not perfect) health care system in the world will cost lives and marked increase morbidity for patients. What a shame.

43 posted on 02/16/2014 10:17:06 AM PST by Texas Songwriter
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To: central_va

I would suggest there is a second phenomenon. That is Dr’s, GP’s and specialists, are becoming part of large group practices.

The groups offer economies of scale and can deal with the documentation and billing with more skill and efficiency than a small practice. This trend is not all the fault of Obamadon’tcare and was in process before.

Just as mom and pop stores and established distributors bacame uncompetative, so it is with health care.


44 posted on 02/16/2014 10:18:37 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ErnBatavia
Your doctor can have his office anywhere..the only difference you might notice, as a patient, is who sends you the bill.

And how much it is. Around here as soon as the hospital buys up the physician's group they tack on a "facilities fee" to the bill from the doctor. In the cases I have seen that fee exceeds the charge from the doctor in many cases. And we're not talking about seeing a doctor in the hospital, just sitting in the same waiting room the doctor's office always had now costs over $200.

Yet another way for hospitals to capture more revenue and reduce competition.

45 posted on 02/16/2014 10:26:35 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: bert

That has been going on for years and Obomacare is just the last mortal stab. We have been doing the insurance and .gov paper work for them free for years. That is a consequence of .gov and people in General. Now,with elec medical record costs it is just too much. When I started Practice our overhead was 54% now it in the 70’s% range. Not worth it.


46 posted on 02/16/2014 10:33:31 AM PST by therut
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And when 0bamacare causes the hospitals to shut down, or turn into hellholes that no one wants to work, the doctors that abandoned their private patients will be SOL.


47 posted on 02/16/2014 10:49:23 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Yes. Bit one important difference is that medical technology has become much more complex and expensive.

Another difference is that telephony technology has become much more complex and expensive and cheap. I mean, who dreamt phones could make and send movies? While it's true that medicine requires personal services, whereas telephony is highly automated, I think it's a mistake to attribute medical cost inflation to technological advances. It's more like, the market system keeps smart phone prices in line, whereas it's totally broken for medical services.

It's damned near impossible to tell what's a fair price for medical services anymore.

For instance, I just got a bill for some blood/urine lab tests. I had seen the doc (at her home office) for a foot infection. She prescribed an antibiotic and, for good measure, whipped out a lab requisition for the local hospital, checked off a bunch of boxes, printed out a list of clinics belonging to the hospital, circled the nearest one, and told me to go in and get stuck and take a piss.

The bill lists over two dozen tests, most costing in the $25-40 range and adding up to close to $1100. My Medicare Advantage company (BCBS) allowed only $108, about 10%. My copay was $20.

The most expensive line item was a vitamin D test, priced at $210. I googled that one and quickly found an independent lab offering the same test for the bargain price of $59. However, the insurance benefits statement allowed a mere $26.77 for that particular test. If your smart phone could perform that test, how much would it cost?

48 posted on 02/16/2014 10:53:38 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: therut

“They will not know another way.”

Except that the cost of med school is still astronomically high. Take it in the shorts going in and coming out.


49 posted on 02/16/2014 11:02:34 AM PST by SgtHooper (If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.)
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To: cynwoody

-— I think it’s a mistake to attribute medical cost inflation to technological advances -—

I just meant that it’s a factor. Medical technology and hospitals have come a long way from when I was a kid, in the 60s.


50 posted on 02/16/2014 11:12:04 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obamao’s plan is working, comrades! Eventually all doctors will work for the state run hospital system. The really good ones will be at the private hospitals reserved for the regime.


51 posted on 02/16/2014 11:22:50 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: catnipman

“-— My Mom is on Medicare so when she goes to our doctor its $175.00 when I go to the same doctor and pay cash its $40.00 -—”

Medicare has what they call Medicare approved payment the Dr bills $175, Medicare then pays the Dr. about $70 this is the approved amount. Your mother will only co-pay 20% of the approved amount which is $14.00. Your mother gets an EOB (Explanation of Benefits) statement from Medicare every 3 months, read those and you will see what I am talking about.


52 posted on 02/16/2014 11:27:52 AM PST by OldBullrider (if yur hurt, rub some dirt on it, and get back to work)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Let me clue you in on Urgent Care Facilities. They are manned by physicians who cannot or do not want to work hard to get ahead.

If you mean by that they don't want to spend 20-30% of their time doing paper work and electronic record conversions in private practice, and deal with declining reimbursements and collection problems, and insurance companies shafting them, I agree.

My family and and associates have utilized urgent care clinics since the mid-80s...really no problems to report. Often the physicians are hired right out of private practice or rotated out of hospitalist or PCP clinic positions. Medical scandals in this area have overwhelmingly involved private practice positions over the years, not employees of hospitals. I'm pleased that the urgent care facilities continue offering their services in this area (PNW), can't speak for Louisiana.

53 posted on 02/16/2014 11:35:05 AM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is one small horror - one unintended consequence among the thousands of unintended consequences - of Obamacare.
54 posted on 02/16/2014 11:35:26 AM PST by GOPJ ( America's drifting into totalitarianism because of left's exploitation of social failures.Greenfie)
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To: grania
You made the decision about what course to take for treatment.

But if you decided wrong, you were not seeing ten ads a day for lawyers to get you a lot of money from the doctor for your mistake!

55 posted on 02/16/2014 11:39:46 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Texas Songwriter
This taking down the best (not perfect) health care system in the world will cost lives and marked increase morbidity for patients. What a shame.

Part of UN Agenda 21 is the reduction of the human population by about 85%. Obamacare will be helpful in that regard.

56 posted on 02/16/2014 11:51:08 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Health economists are nearly unanimous that the United States should move away from fee-for-service payments to doctors, the traditional system where private physicians are paid for each procedure and test ....”

FWIW, Canada’s “one-payer” system uses mostly fee-for-service payments to doctors in private practice.


57 posted on 02/16/2014 11:53:18 AM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: OldBullrider
Medicare has what they call Medicare approved payment...

Which is why many doctors decline to accept Medicare patients.

58 posted on 02/16/2014 11:56:21 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Texas Songwriter

I hear you. Largely agree.
Saw what was coming and quit a hospital-employed practice (primary care IM) about a year ago. Glad I did. Fed up with the changes even then. But am keeping my irons in the fire for now—working part time in a specialty clinic a few shifts per week. Not sure what the future will bring, and I think keeping credentials up to date may provide me useful flexibility when the SHTF. Have you considered Locums?
BTW—largely agree with your analysis of UC clinics. Most around hear staffed with mid-levels. A few are OK. Sorry to hear of your daughter’s experience. Every doc should know when and how to evaluate an acute abdomen. Physical diagnosis 101.


59 posted on 02/16/2014 12:50:11 PM PST by Carborundum
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To: SeekAndFind

The date should read 02/15/2014—this is not a column from a year ago. The link has the date as 2014.


60 posted on 02/16/2014 3:37:49 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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