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Typical "sensible", "reasonable" BS. Links in article for more on these sensible and reasonable idears. (And why we're such jerks.) ;>}
1 posted on 02/09/2014 9:50:58 AM PST by rktman
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It doesn’t even make sense to keep guns out of the hands of felons since all that does is keep track of law abiding citizens and felons don’t bother asking for permission.


2 posted on 02/09/2014 9:53:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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I forgot to remind pro folks of the anti’s “messaging guide” link. Just so you know their plans to “properly” message how to get anti-gun messages out there.

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/748675/gun-violencemessaging-guide-pdf-1.pdf


3 posted on 02/09/2014 9:55:13 AM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme),unemployment will necessarily skyrocket! Despite the % dropping. Period.)
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The most logical and “sensible” gun law there need be is merely party affiliation. Anything other than democrat/progressive and you just sail through. Democrat/socialist/progressive, you’re denied, put under observation for 15 days, etc...


4 posted on 02/09/2014 10:04:14 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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No doubt there were problems with the recently considered background check bill. Every proposal has flaws. But the way to eliminate those flaws is to propose sensible amendments.

A weak attempt to move the Overton Window. Let's move it back. Gun control is unconstitutional. Those who propose it in any form are traitors. Now, let's talk about what we should do with traitors.

5 posted on 02/09/2014 10:04:22 AM PST by Paine in the Neck (Our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor)
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I’ve now arrived at the point in this subject where I consider the words “sensible” and “reasonable” as absolute red flags that indicate I’m about to hear or read the musings of a moron.


6 posted on 02/09/2014 10:05:37 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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No more gun control.

Not one bit. Nothing.

Stop it, and start rolling back gun control laws.


7 posted on 02/09/2014 10:07:11 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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there always going to be people who live outside the law so making new laws is a farce. to me the country has lost it’s moral compass. we have a whole generation that has grown up on violent video games who don’t know right from wrong


8 posted on 02/09/2014 10:07:45 AM PST by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms, infringe the 2 amendment)
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Criminals have and will continue to posess firearms without background checks. Criminals already own and conceal carry handguns without permits. It’s time law abiding citizens did the same.


9 posted on 02/09/2014 10:08:36 AM PST by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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what on earth is “meaningful gun control”?


10 posted on 02/09/2014 10:08:47 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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What about a “background check” on every public servant holding public office once a year? How about a background check on every women who has used public funding for an abortion? How about a background check on every single person entering the US? The list could go on and on, but, the more important aspect of the communist pushing “background checks” is a Federal National Registry (FNR)of all firearms in the United States so they can confiscate them through attrition. In example, you have an argument with your wife or girl friend, law enforcement pull of the FNR and finds your name on the list and what firearms you own, they enter your home take the firearms and even if you are not prosecuted, you will spend millions of dollars trying to get your firearms back, because, you have now been classified as having “anger problem” and are now have a “mental disorder” and may not possess a firearm by executive order from Obumbum! You see how this plays out don't you!

What is termed “reasonable” becomes very “unreasonable” when it is used by local law enforcement! The word “reasonable” has been given to the communist to be used in order to suck in the American people to once again, support just another bite on the shit sandwich until the American people have eaten the entire sandwich and the American people wake up and find out they no longer can possess firearms unless you work for the government!

11 posted on 02/09/2014 10:13:59 AM PST by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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An event of acceptable gun control to MOST Americans

Texas Women

A TRUE STORY FROM... “THE HOUSTON HERALD” HOUSTON , TEXAS
Last Thursday night around midnight, a woman from Houston, Texas, was arrested, jailed, and charged with manslaughter for shooting a man 6 times in the back as he was running away with her purse.
The following Monday morning, the woman was called in front of the Arraignment Judge, sworn-in, and asked to explain her actions.
The woman replied, “I was standing at the corner bus stop for about 15 minutes, waiting for the bus to take me home after work. I am a waitress at a local cafe.
I was there alone, so I had my right hand on my pistol in my purse hanging on my left shoulder. All of a sudden I was spun around hard to my left. As I caught my balance, I saw a man running away with my purse. I looked down at my right hand and saw that my fingers were wrapped tightly around my pistol.
The next thing I remember is saying out loud, “No Way Punk! You're not stealing my pay check and tips.” I raised my right hand, pointed my pistol at the man running away from me with my purse, and started squeezing the trigger of my pistol.
When asked by the arraignment judge,
“Why did you shoot the man 6 times?
The woman replied under oath, “Because, when I pulled the trigger the 7th time, it only went click.”

The woman was acquitted of all charges. She was back at work the next day, on Tuesday!
NOW That's Real Gun Control,

12 posted on 02/09/2014 10:14:54 AM PST by drypowder
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This guy makes the best argument that can possibly be made. It fails on a number of accounts, but here are two that stand out:

He admits that criminals can obtain guns without going through a background check, but contends that it’s worth it to make it “harder” for them. Silence about the imposition on law abiding citizens.

Since keeping guns out of the handguns of real criminals seems to be out of reach, he argues that we need to do it to keep guns away from “felons” and “mental cases”. We all know what a criminal is, but what about a felon? Are the terms synonymous? No, felons are so defined by government and we are all probably guilty of one felony or anther. Likewise mental illness is largely defined by government and in many cases can be determined by government entites without judicial due process.

The gist of his argument, therefore is, we can’t stop real criminals from getting guns, so let’s do the next best thing and prevent as many non criminal citizens from doing the same thing. Our safety and security depends on being able to keep firearms out of the hands of the likes of Martha Stewart.


17 posted on 02/09/2014 10:20:30 AM PST by centurion316
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I have no problem with running background checks on people purchasing weapons. The background checks should be restricted to the person involved and have nothing to do with the type, serial number, or number of guns being purchased. What does that information have anything to do with whether a person is eligible to be a gun owner?

That being said, I "loan" some of my guns to relatives. I'm reasonably certain (more so than the government could determine)that they will not be using them in illicit activities.

20 posted on 02/09/2014 10:24:31 AM PST by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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How can we enact meaningful gun control? s

Eliminate all socialists. Especially the National socialist and more extreme communists. We won't need the guns except for target practice. That's fun...

23 posted on 02/09/2014 10:34:48 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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we could start with on the spot summary executions of every thug/gangbanger caught with a gun...

but that's just me

24 posted on 02/09/2014 10:35:09 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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It seems reasonable to investigate everyone who buys a gun and exercises their constitutional rights. It’s for the children. It seems reasonable to register all guns and gun owner so we know who has guns and where they are. It’s for the children. It seems reasonable that people only need 7 clips in a magazine. it’s for the children. It seems reasonable And it seems reasonable that guns should be stored at a gun range or at the local police station. It’s for the children. It seems reasonable to ban all gun ownership. It’s for the children.

What is unreasonable are public libraries. Does anyone really NEED 100,000 books in one place? Does anyone really NEED 50 different newspapers from all over the world? Does anyone really need books written by subversive authors who criticize our light-worker, kind of a god, lord and savior, messiah, president? No one needs all those books.


26 posted on 02/09/2014 10:43:17 AM PST by Organic Panic
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More “reasonable” gun control.


31 posted on 02/09/2014 11:03:20 AM PST by ozzymandus
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Marx and Lenin would be SOOOOOOOOOO PROUD.


32 posted on 02/09/2014 11:16:04 AM PST by Flintlock ( islam is a LIE, mohammed was a CRIMINAL, shira is POISON.)
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And to think, in 1962 Thomas J Dodd and Emanuel Cellar proposed the first federal law on common firearms.

1962; “We don’t want to take away your guns, we ONLY want to register handguns! Rifles and shotguns will not be affected”.

1964: “We only want to register all your guns, not ban them! Only Army surplus guns will be banned.”

1968: “We only want to register your guns, and ban “Saturday Night Specials” and small foreign handguns along with army surplus rifles!” (They got the ban on 5 shot army surplus rifles and handguns and small foreign pistols)

1970: “We only want to ban Saturday night specials! Large handguns and rifles will not be affected!”

1976: “We only want to ban all handguns! Long guns will not be affected!”

1981: “The NRA is a rifle organization! They should give up their handguns, and they can keep their rifles!”- Lee Grant on GMA

1984: “We must ban “assault Rifles, unsuitable or hunting!”

1989: George Bush bans import of some foreign made “assault rifles”.

1992: Assault rifle ban passed by Clinton.

2000: first calls to ban single shot .50 cal rifles...

2012 calls for MORE bans on semi auto rifles and handguns.

And so it continues.

They lied to us in 1962.
They lied to us in 1964.
They lied to us in 1968.
They lied to us in 1970.
They lied to us in 1976.
They lied to us in 1981.
They lied to us in 2013,

AND THEY ARE LYING TO US NOW!


36 posted on 02/09/2014 12:09:28 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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If, after 22,000 gun laws on the books, one still has to ask this question, then it’s time to find another cause. And time to wipe those laws off the books, since gun control has been outed as people control.


40 posted on 02/09/2014 1:43:01 PM PST by DPMD
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