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To: FredZarguna
“The Bible says… The Bible describes…”

Where? What verses? You’re mentioning things I have not heard of, or have read in the Bible here. If you want book, chapter and verse of anything I have described from the Bible, let me know and I will give it to you.

”Why is there no evidence whatsoever that a tribe of between 1 and 7 million people [as described in your infallible book] wandered around in the Egyptian desert for 40 years?”

Evidence has been found on this one. If I showed you that there is evidence, would you scoff at it? Most likely. But I’ll send the link this evening anyway that shows there is evidence for the sake of others who read these posts. (I’m blocked from the link where I’m at). Whether you believe it or not, that’s up to you, but others have admitted it is convincing.

”The Bible claims that "the sun stood still in the sky." Does the Bible then claim that the Earth is the center of the solar system? If not, and the Bible somehow magically predicts that the Earth itself turns [Hint: it does not say that anywhere] how exactly did the Earth stop turning at roughly 1000 miles per hour -- instantaneously -- without everything on the surface abruptly flying off into space?

Good question! God is not without His secrets. But He has released the answers to many in His books (plural) as He has seen fit. On this one, He wants us to keep on searching. Did I say that all the Bible can be explained? I did say that the Bible contains BOTH the natural and the supernatural.

“As for your nonsensical assertion that we can't prove that the earth is billions of years old, your tectonic plate "theory" is amusing, and wrong.”

Tell that to a bunch of Evo scientists at the USGS!” “So far scientists have not found a way to determine the exact age of the Earth directly from Earth rocks because Earth's oldest rocks have been recycled and destroyed by the process of plate tectonics.”

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html

“Scientists "believed" in the Bible before the Twentieth Century for two reasons: 1) It was dangerous not to, so many of them lied and pretended they did…”

Besides the debunked story about Galileo being forced to believe the Bible, site me some sources that this happened to all men of science as you imply?

“…and 2) the overwhelming evidence that the Bible has very little scientific, historical, or archaeological truth in it had not yet been exposed. Science in the Twentieth Century has revealed that the Bible is a book of faith and supernatural events, and not a science text by even the grandest stretch of the most fertile imagination in the world.”

Wow, your hatred of the Bible really shows here. You discount all the archaeological findings archaeologists have found because of the guidance the Bible, even in Israel? Man, you have a problem here I just can’t help you with if you truly believe this. Good luck!

“Please join the Flat Earth Society where at least you and similar kooks can hang out together, and stop giving conservatism a bad name.”

You are delusional if you think Darwinism/Evolutionism is associated with conservatism – it is just the opposite. In fact, it is the best tool Communism has had over the past century, and the result of millions of deaths.

I see that you have lost this debate since you now resort to straightforward insults. This particular debate with you has ended. Once again - good luck!

167 posted on 02/07/2014 8:08:47 AM PST by celmak
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To: celmak
After this reply, I'm going to give you the last word, because frankly, your replies have been so lame that I'm no longer interested.

Π "=" 3; 2 Chronicles 4:2

Good question! God is not without His secrets. But He has released the answers to many in His books (plural) as He has seen fit.

Yeah ... he also managed to keep secret how babies get produced in his Bible, in which a lot of begetting gets done, a point to which you curiously do not reply.

I want you to reflect on the fact that pretty much all of the "answers" that "God" provides in the Bible are in fact extrapolations and interpolations provided by you and various apologists you quote. The Bible itself doesn't answer anything very often, and when it does it's usually wrong. But you folks make a valiant effort continuing to try to patch it up.

The way you cherry pick what it says at http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html is satisfyingly illustrative.

This is pretty typical of the way Crevo's approach what they think is "science:" straining a gnat to swallow a camel. Some minor detail of the Standard Model gets changed and it's "Oh! The Big Bang is Wrong! See! See!" Or, some fossil was proved to be a hoax decades ago, and as a result "the fossil record is mostly baloney."

What the USGS site says is: the EXACT age of the Earth is difficult to establish. But please keep reading, because the site you claim "proves" that the Earth is not millions of years old, actually says: Ancient rocks exceeding 3.5 billion years in age are found on all of Earth's continents and it goes on to note specific sampling sites where rocks of varying ages of 3.6, 3.7, and 3.8 billion years in age may be found, and also this: The oldest rocks on Earth found so far are the Acasta Gneisses in northwestern Canada near Great Slave Lake (4.03 Ga).

So, your idea of science is: "meteorites and the moon say the Earth is 4.5 Ga, but because of plate tectonics the oldest exposed rocks we actually have are only 4 Ga. Therefore, I conclude that the Earth is 6,000 years old." Genius.

The rest of your screed is crap. You claim that Galileo was not confined to house arrest (maybe, can't tell, because you simply make some non-authoritative claim without a citation or any explanation.) Well, Galileo was a friend of the Pope's. That saved his life; how generous.

The Church clearly thought he was maligned, because inconveniently for your nonsensical claim, the Church apologized. I reproduce the quote here in full, because it is also one of mainstream Christianity's most eloquent smack-downs of your narrow minded literalism:

"Thanks to his intuition as a brilliant physicist and by relying on different arguments, Galileo, who practically invented the experimental method, understood why only the sun could function as the centre of the world, as it was then known, that is to say, as a planetary system. The error of the theologians of the time, when they maintained the centrality of the Earth, was to think that our understanding of the physical world's structure was, in some way, imposed by the literal sense of Sacred Scripture....
—Pope John Paul II, L'Osservatore Romano N. 44 (1264) - November 4, 1992

And that, too, is the error of your understanding as well.

181 posted on 02/07/2014 10:54:09 AM PST by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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