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To: Toddsterpatriot
I absolutely take ownership of my desire for less government interference in trade and our economy in general.

Well that sounds good, but when it comes to these threads, the first things out of the mouths of folks like you is "Protectionists".

Yes, I call people who call for higher tariffs, protectionists.

Well Bable-mouth, please link me to where I advocated for higher tariffs.

Where is your indignation that missile gyro technology was transferred to China? Where is your indignation at the fact that missle vibration damper technology was transferred to China?

Clinton and others who did that should be jailed.

Except folks in your camp NEVER address that stuff until you are cornered and forced to deal with it.

Could that have taken place without open trade with Communist China?  No.  And yet you advocate for open trade across the board.  China has been on the table here for quite a while by now, and you've taken a pass on disagreeing with it all along.

Today we and our allies, and folks not traditionally affiliated with us, face a growing military threat from China simply because the Free Traders prevailed?

I'm a Free Trader and I'm against the transfer of sensitive technology to China.

Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but China demands copies of the patents and the complete plans for manufacturing before it will allow our corportations to manufacture on its soil.

Can you see any benefit of this for China?  China now has the fastest computer on planet earth.  How do you think China got that technology?  It got it because people just like you advocated for open trade with it.  None of this mattered to the Free Trade advocates, becuase we declared this to be the eventual outcome if we did go full tilt Free Trade with China.  The Free Traders said it didn't matter.  Here we are.

Did I mention tariffs? No.

Free trade, in the form of lower tariffs is somehow to blame for those things? Please show how.

Did I mention tariffs?  No.  If I need to express that again and again for you, just let me know.  You seem to be having a bit of a comprehension problem.

Who cares if China can target our cities with advanced accuracy? Who cares if their missle failures were reduced by 90% with our technology transfers? Who cares if we have 23% of our workforce idle? Who cares if 40% of our workers are making less than the minimum wage of 1968? Trade! Trade! Trade! Trade! Trade! Trade!

What level of tariffs would save us?

Did I mention tariffs?  No.  If I need to express that again and again for you, just let me know.  You seem to be having a bit of a comprehension problem.

It's what is taking place

You claimed I view job displacement in the US as a great thing. Where?

We have 25% or close to it un-employment.  We have another 25% or so making half what they used to.  I linked you to a study that showed over 40% of our workers are making less than the minimum wage in 1968.  None the less, I am demeaned as being some sort of sociallist because I think Free Trade has been a massive betrayal of the American public.  And now you act offended because I have called you on the fact you still favor Free Trade, and the devistating impact is has had on our workers and nation.

Where?  Wow, this is all over your head isn't it.

and you continue to advocate for Free Trade despite that fact.

I agree, higher taxes and regulations cost jobs. I don't agree that lowered tariffs and fewer trade barriers cost jobs.

Well that tariff discussion you're having with yourself is certainly interesting to watch.  I haven't made any advocacy related to tariffs, other than to point out that China has manipulated between 30 and 40% tariffs on our goods going in.  This evidently didn't interest you, because you basically ignored the fact to move on to the real important issues...  snicker.

Am I now to believe you don't advocate for what you have been advocating for?

I believe you lied..

We've seen that you believe a lot of things.  None of them all that accurate.  You can't even agree with yourself part of the time.

49 posted on 01/26/2014 7:19:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Clinton and others who did that should be jailed.

Except folks in your camp NEVER address that stuff until you are cornered and forced to deal with it.

So what?

Could that have taken place without open trade with Communist China?

Yes.

Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but China demands copies of the patents and the complete plans for manufacturing before it will allow our corportations to manufacture on its soil.

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm against the transfer of sensitive technology to China.

Did I mention tariffs?

You're whining about free trade, that means low or no tariffs.

You claimed I view job displacement in the US as a great thing. Where? If I need to express that again and again for you, just let me know. You seem to be having a bit of a comprehension problem.

Well that tariff discussion you're having with yourself is certainly interesting to watch.

Not as interesting as your poor grasp of English and your confusion between incentive and disincentive.

And now you act offended because I have called you on the fact you still favor Free Trade

I'm not offended by your calling me out because I favor less government interference with trade.

I am offended by your lies about me.

50 posted on 01/26/2014 7:42:03 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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