[southern rock]

Yes, you would have to imagine that conservatism was a different animal pre-counter culture. When that came along, it must have seemed so alien and scary to the previous generation, I don't blame the Reagan-era conservatives for going all "law and order". But, in retrospect, it has reeked havoc on the very Constitutional principals that conservatism is supposed to be about and defend.

It is also ironic, but not unexpected, that now that the counter-culture generation is the establishment, the roles are reversing.

Many here on FR are still living in the '60's and '70's and don't get it that they, as conservatives are or soon will be, on the wrong side of the "law and order" stick.

[DariusBane]

A story from the Steppe. I apologize if you have seen me post it before, but it is a favorite story I read somewhere:

A Great Khan conquered many neighboring tribes and took many prisoners, goods, cattle and glory. He was very vain, so the Great Khan would use captured princes to pull his yurt.

One day, while rolling across the tundra, he noticed one of the princes pulling his yurt watching the wheels rotate round and round. He asked the prince “why are you watching the wheels go round and round?” The prince answered “I was noticing that what was once on top, goes to the bottom and gets covered in mud and shit.”

From that day forward, the Great Khan no longer used princes to pull his yurt.