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To: stanne; kevkrom; Talisker; 2nd amendment mama; MamaB; dartuser; wesagain; crosshairs; bramps; ...
The gay wedding guys are acting within the law I can’t and wouldn’t discriminate against them. The religious freedom case lost here. It is not a religious issue.

You are misunderstanding the case of Masterpiece Cakeshop and its owner, Jack Phillips.against sodomites.

Phillips was not refusing to sell bcz the men were sodomites, and in fact Phillips said he would be happy to sell them brownies or other treats to serve at the reception, just not a wedding cake, as the event was morally objectionable to him. I am surprised he went so far as offering to sell anything for the reception.

In addition, while Colorado law was expanded to prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual preference (which must include animals) and gender identity - which was why the judge said he ruled for the sodomites - yet Colorado law discriminates against homosexuals by denying them marriage.

Thus the baker was acting consistent with Colorado's own interpretation of the extent of its antidiscrimination law. But here comes the judge, who might as well claim the devil made him do it.

Furthermore, as this is an issue of morality, then it is a religious issue as much as a legal one. Your faith determines your moral decisions.

But if you, even as a Catholic person of faith it seems, would not discriminate against the "gay wedding guys" because they are acting within the law, then would you say

An Orthodox Jewish baker has to make a custom cake to celebrate a KKK holocaust deniers convention? Or for a GLAD celebration?

Or a black bakery make anything for a KKK celebration?

Or a evangelical (being overall more conservative than Catholics) have to make a (if unsigned) advertising sign for a legal porn shop? Or such an artist (a decorated cake is) have to make a sign, even if unsigned, for a customer who will use it for a immoral if legal celebration he/she disagrees with?

Legally speaking the answer should be no, as much as a Sabbath keeper should not be compelled to produce on his day of rest. Morally, to answer yes to these questions is akin to agreeing Nazi Germany would be right in punishing someone who would not supply the Nazi party with yellow stars - or a certain gas.

Unless you agree with the sodomites.

And even with things we may not agree with, should

Or a liberal music artist have to sell music or a license to a Ted Cruz convention? (Romney was threatened with legal action even for dong so with music he had a license for, not that i support such music)

Or a devout Muslim baker sell buns to a hot dog stand?

A homosexual sign maker have to make and sell a custom made sign for a AFA event?

Goshawk, no wonder the Catholic Church chose to tell ignorant s to quit interpreting the bible and leave the interpreting to kind scholars.

Considering the doctrinal errors of Rome, in addition to its liberal scholarship in your main Bible for decades, that is hardly an answer, and in any case Scripture is not Rome's master but its servant. But it would be interesting what their take would be on this case, if you could even get a timely official response (to anything). Do you have their 800 number?

123 posted on 01/10/2014 8:51:32 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; stanne; kevkrom; Talisker; 2nd amendment mama; MamaB; dartuser; wesagain; crosshairs; ..

I think this is a very difficult topic and one that calls for extreme spiritual discernment. On the one hand the natural man does not have the spiritual discernment to understand the destructiveness of homosexuality. So until they come to the knowledge of truth, they rest in their sins just like everyone else. On the other hand, homosexuality is the result of God abandoning them to their lustful passions because they knew God but purposely did not wish to honor Him.

I think our best example for this dilemma rest with Abraham and Lot. When asked by the kings of Sodom, Abraham was instrumental in helping the people of Sodom when they were raided. It was also to Abraham’s benefit to rescue Lot. Their relationship was one of respect but Abraham refused to entangled himself with them. Lot, OTOH, went and lived with with the people of Sodom. He sought to appease them to the point of sacrificing his daughters to them. In the end it says that Lot vex his soul and resulted in ruin.

Does baking a cake for a homosexual wedding show assistance or entanglement? Does going to a homosexual hairdresser for 10 years show mutual goals or entanglement? This is difficult to say and can only be addressed by each individual.


130 posted on 01/10/2014 10:00:15 AM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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