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NTSB: Hawaii plane floated 25 mins, then sank.
AP via Star Advertiser ^ | Dec 31, 2013 | AP via Star Advertiser

Posted on 01/01/2014 3:18:25 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo

The National Transportation Safety Board says in a preliminary accident report that a small commercial plane that crash-landed in Hawaii waters floated for about 25 minutes before sinking.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: alicedewey; alicedeweybio; birthcertificate; certifigate; fuddy; hawaii; industrialdemocracy; lid; naturalborncitizen; subud
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To: justiceseeker93

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2148751/posts

Ford Foundation, various addresses in New York.I tried to follow it but I’m really not up to it.


241 posted on 01/05/2014 10:22:03 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: hoosiermama

She was holding on to her assistant’s hand and then she went limp.

I’ve wondered if the assistant wasn’t also holding a conche.


242 posted on 01/05/2014 10:41:15 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Fred Nerks
Do we have a time frame/details of what happened in the water, between the time that her aide/Yamamoto started holidng her hand and then decided to let her go and float away? Do we have any info on that at all? Was she already dead when he started holding her hand?

This entire account is typical of how the regime covers stuff up.You get half the story.

243 posted on 01/06/2014 4:59:43 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: JoeProBono

Jo-Jo, that ain’t no Cessna. Looks like a homebuilt or .....A Culver Cadet????


244 posted on 01/06/2014 10:10:39 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (This GOP is dead. What do we do now?)
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To: Brown Deer
Bapak was a key player in the 1965 CIA-engineered coup against President Sukarno in Indonesia. Subud has also been accused of being yet another CIA mind-control religious operation. The Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI) and Sukarno’s Foreign Minister, Dr. Subandrio, as well as Ceylon’s assassinated Prime Minister, Solomon Bandaranaike, accused Subud of being a CIA front. The sect continues to maintain a religious compound in Front Royal, Virginia, about an hour’s drive from CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

"Actually, Stanley Dunham existed. Last time I saw her (which was the first time) she was at a party being held by A. Schmidgall-Tellings. The attendees were mostly associated with anti-Sukarno forces in Indonesia. Plenty of former Dutch colonial bureaucrats, etc. There's really no reason to doubt she existed. At the same time I would expect the CIA front story for her probably can't withstand stiff internet scrutiny..."

SNIPPED

10 posted on Monday, 15 December 2008 11:18:10 AM by muawiyah

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245 posted on 01/06/2014 4:40:57 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: maggief; LucyT; hoosiermama
Given that The 2001 Honolulu Advertiser article pins down Fuddy as a member of a Subud group whose parent organization was/is headquartered in Chicago, I got curious about whether there may be a thread or two that runs from Honolulu Subud through to Chicago and ultimately has some connection with Obama.

I have not found anything shocking, but this page identifies a U.S.A Subud Chicago organization that receives its mail at what might be the loft apartment address of Victor Margolin, Professor Emeritus of Design History at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Margolin is the c/o name for the non-profit Subud organization that doesn't seem to claim any significant assets or received donations (at least not above $25k annually). Despite the org's lack of funds, there's nothing slummy about its (and/or Margolin's) address. I saw one article that listed an apartment in the building which is home to the Margolin/Subud NPO (1307 S. Wabash) at about $300,000.

Of course you will doubtless recognize U.I.C., where Margolin is a Prof., as that same institution which payrolls unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers who "just happened" to be a neighbor to the Obamas in Chicago.

While I don't have reason to assume Prof. Margolin has ever met Obama, he can be easily spotted around the web in various interviews, articles, and blog posts defending and extolling the virtues of all things socialist and all things Obama.

This is just another side note that will likely not prove to have any relevance to the Subud connections of Dunham-Soetoro or Fuddy or any potential ties that BHO himself may have to Subud. Nevertheless, I thought I should mention this much in case it rings a bell correlated to other research you folks may have done. You know, it's a small world, after all. :)
246 posted on 01/06/2014 11:29:39 PM PST by ecinkc (Keep a sharp eye, Mr Onaka, Dr Fukino, Ms Okubo. Who knows what the One you shelter will do next?)
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To: ecinkc; LucyT; hoosiermama; Brown Deer

See also brown deer’s post #90.

Background info from another Subud member.

http://www.subud-sica.org/index.php?hkat=7&ukat=24

In May 1961, a year after receiving my B.A. in English, I was opened in Subud. That took place in Chicago. At the time I was also attending the Ramakrishna-Vivekananda Hindu Fellowship near where I lived. Back at Yale Graduate School that fall and an isolated member, I began studying Indonesian and hanging around with “people who looked like Bapak.” It wasn’t until the fall of 1969 in Honolulu, with Mas Prio Hartono a recent houseguest, that I first tried the Muslim Ramadan Fast. It was challenging, to say the least, with world-class headaches appearing every day by three. But with Muslim students and professors at the East-West Center, where I was working, for companions, it was a dramatic experiment for me—one that I have since repeated 36 times.

My road to active interest in interreligious matters was less direct. As an assistant professor of English at the University of Hawai`i at Manoa and, for a year, as intercultural activities officer at the adjoining East-West Center, I was tapped by the Lutheran campus pastor to serve on the University’s interfaith council as a faculty member representing “Team Lutheran.” Then, as assistant director of the University’s experimental School of the Humanities, “New College,” I co-taught an interfaith freshman seminar called “Gods and Men.” By this time I had already been reading widely in the world’s great religions and could spout technical terminology and explain some of the main concepts of Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism as well as Judaism and Christianity. I also liked listening to Hindu and Christian classical music.


247 posted on 01/07/2014 7:25:23 AM PST by maggief
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From another source, misplaced the link.

Most Subud converted to Islam and took new name(s).

//

Second City Comedy troupe out of Chicago had Subud members, including David, Patricia and Roseanna Arquette’s father, Lewis , who was the Second City director. He converted to Islam. The family moved to a Subud commune in Ft. Royal, Va. where they lived for a few years with other actors and musicians.


248 posted on 01/07/2014 7:37:04 AM PST by maggief
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More on Subud and Second City.

http://www.corfid.com/vbb/showthread.php?p=122252


249 posted on 01/07/2014 7:44:43 AM PST by maggief
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To: ecinkc; maggief; Brown Deer; butterdezillion; justiceseeker93; Cvengr; rodguy911; Kenny Bunk; ...
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. . . . # 246 through # 249 .

Old thread, check it out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2148751/posts

Thanks ecinkc, and Maggief.

250 posted on 01/07/2014 8:33:34 AM PST by LucyT ( If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: Brown Deer
SCHMIGDALL-TELLINGS

(dutch name?)

SAD associated with anti-SUKARNO forces? Wondering, as an informer or a supporter? Zero showed up in Hawaii the same year Sukarno died, in June, 1970.

Sukarno was deposed by SUHARTO, evidently a SUBUD SUPPORTER. Just making a mental note.

251 posted on 01/07/2014 12:36:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: maggief

Check this one out.

http://www.subudenterprise.com/People/SESIAdvisoryBoard.aspx

Wonder who knew whom?


252 posted on 01/07/2014 1:53:50 PM PST by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then)
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To: Brown Deer; David

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/obamas_new_nationalism_more_sukarno_than_teddy_roosevelt.html

“...
Though Obama’s Dreams from My Father goes to great pains to insert Obama Sr. into the story — through the literary device of hearing stories about him from his mother — it’s clear that for six of the seven years from ages three to ten, Barack Obama had a hands-on, live-in father: the Indonesian Lolo Soetoro.

That Lolo was a well-connected young Indonesian student, firmly entrenched in the fabric of the Indonesian ruling class, is supported by several facts.

Lolo’s mother was closely related to Sultan Hamenkubuwono IX, the hereditary ruler of Yogyakarta. From 1949 until his death in1988, the sultan was a towering figure of civilian influence within first the Sukarno, and later the Suharto government. He served as the national minister of Foreign Affairs under Sukarno, and from 1973 to 1978, he was also Suharto’s vice president.

Mayo Soetoro-Ng, Obama’s half sister, has publicly mentioned her grandmother’s “royal blood,” and University of Hawaii anthropology professor Alice Dewey, Stanley Ann Dunham’s close friend and thesis adviser, told me in a phone interview last year1 that:

Lolo’s mother, Ann, and Maya lived inside the royal area of Yogyokarta when I visited them in 1978-1979. She was related to the Sultan, I think probably at the second-cousin level or maybe even the first-cousin level. They — Ann, her daughter Maya, and her mother-in-law— lived in a house very near the center of that walled area, which suggested to me that she had a fairly close family relationship to the sultan. The betang is traditionally the area reserved for the extended royal family of the Sultan Hamengkubuwono. No one who was a foreigner without royal blood could live there.

Soetoro’s familial relations to the Sultan would explain why he received a scholarship to the University of Hawaii East-West Center program. Typically, foreign governments recommend students who have some sort of political connection.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/obamas_new_nationalism_more_sukarno_than_teddy_roosevelt.html#ixzz2pknBR7JL


253 posted on 01/07/2014 2:21:30 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: Brown Deer

The above American Thinker article is dated December 2011. And to think that for all that time, we asked ourselves, why would he have called himself an Indonesian Prince when he arrived in Hawaii?

Maybe it was because he believed he was related to the Sultan and was living at the Jogjakarta Palace?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/choice-2012/the-frontline-interview-kristen-caldwell/

“...I understand that he told his fifth-grade class that he was Kenyan royalty, but I never heard that story until years later. My sister and I remember very clearly that he was an Indonesian prince and that he would be going back there. So there was some reference to where he had come from, and the understanding was his family was there...”


254 posted on 01/07/2014 2:31:08 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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Alice Dewey pictured with Sultan Hamengkubuwono X and GKR Hemas kompeks before leaving the palace.

FULL CIRCLE.

255 posted on 01/07/2014 2:38:26 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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Well, guys. I tried.

We thought...

Sorry.


256 posted on 01/07/2014 3:17:37 PM PST by LucyT ( If you're NOT paranoid, you don't know what's going on.)
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To: Brown Deer

A 'Lt Sutoro' accompanied Sukarno on a private visit in 1959, giving his address as 'Palace - Indonesia (Djakarta)'

257 posted on 01/07/2014 3:18:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: LucyT

Don’t worry, I’m taking off tomorrow, then it’s all yours.


258 posted on 01/07/2014 3:19:30 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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LAST ONE

259 posted on 01/07/2014 3:22:03 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum)
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To: maggief
The founder of Subud, whom members refer to as “Bapak”...

Barack, Barak, Bapak...

What difference does it make?


260 posted on 01/07/2014 3:54:06 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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