Posted on 01/01/2014 11:10:48 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland
Polioce officer is totally ignorant of the 2nd Amendment
Most notable would be the Civil War in this country. There were numerous others elsewhere, including the one that resulted in the Magna Carta.
Wrong —
In Missouri, the open carry regs are up to each city and county, and so there are rules in addition to the rules for the whole state, which presents potential for a lot of confusion.
The state law permits open carry with out permit in your vehicle, so that you can travel to your hunting area or practice range. No permit is required to purchase a gun, except for the Federal Background Check. You can carry it openly inside your house I would assume in addition to your car.
Under the concealed carry law, your driver’s license must state that you have a concealed carry permit, and if lost, you must go to the sheriffs office within around 7 days to get copies of the permit and temporary id from the DMV.
Missouri honors all other states permits/licenses, I assume though, that you have to abide by the state and local laws as you travel through the state.
There are restrictions where you are not allowed to carry such as airports, busses, posted areas, etc.
Missouri Law allows for denial of access and/or removal from premises, due to handgun possession. If the request is met with refusal, and the police called, they can be fined, even if they co-operate and leave without further resistance.
The CCW permit can also be suspended for failure to accept denial of access or failure to leave the premises. The best thing to do when denied access is to hand the owner/manager a card stating “no guns = no money; you’ve lost my business”, and leave.
That’s about the best explanation I can give at present. When CCW was passed, I was looking into the law, trying to establish the pros and cons of getting CCW permit. This is my understanding of what I have read. However, I am not a Lawyer, and I haven’t actually talked to our local sheriff about this, so I may have misunderstood some portion or other.
Nope. It is a basic human right to peaceably travel from place to place without being interfered with by government agents or other highwaymen.
State guns laws should always take precedence over local gun laws or a total mess is created. This situation is a good example. At least here in Jersey that is the case, but concealed carry is out of the question here and NJ state gun laws are so murky and Byzantine at times that even the cops are confused.
Find me any historical site that lists that as a cause of the American Civil War.
I have seen a lot worse than this policeman. He was actually pretty mild comparatively speaking of fairly recent experiences that I have seen.
When I was a kid in southwest Mo. you didn't mess with our sheriff. He would pop you over the head with a bag of BBs or a nightstick. We had a fierce biker gang that advertised that they were coming through town, and he better not mess with them.
He and a gang of deputized citizens met them at the Finely River Bridge, and told them you may not pass. When the gang leader gave him trouble, he let the police dog loose on them, and the noise of the shotguns being prepared was heard loud and clear. They turned around and backtracked to go another way.
A few days later south of us, there was a riot and the entire strip of a vacation resort town was burned. It never regained economic viability again.
Of course, I grew up in the heart of bald knobber country, the vigilante group that sprang up after the civil war to try to stop the gangs from robbing and killing people of the area.
People would get tired of the sheriff's attitude sometimes, and he'd lose an election, but the very next time, he'd be elected again, because the people liked the peaceful results. He was kinda like a meaner Joe Arpaio. For good or bad, that's the way it was back then.
You are right about it stirring up trouble. Remember when the Black Panthers decided to run around with rifles and guns on display, and started quoting their constitutional rights?
Then they decided to show up at the capitol in California (IIRC Reagan was Governor). Next thing you know the gun restriction ball starting rolling with increased momentum.
I lived in the shadow of New York City across the river from it as a young kid back in the 1950’s. You could leave your car and house unlocked and be reasonably sure it would be safe. When a stranger walked down the street, people watched him, and he knew it. Kids treated adults with respect because they were adults.
But back then people who lived in a neighborhood controlled their neighborhood. Cops were paid decently and were respectable. Teachers were patriotic. And the worse thing that a cop or teacher could do was threaten to tell your old man you were misbehaving to keep you in line.
On Memorial Day and Veteran’s Day there were always huge parades of WW2 vets and entire towns turned out to fill the sidewalks to watch and cheer.
School started everyday with a reading from the Bible, the Lord’s Prayer and a salute to the Flag.
In High School we had a rifle team with a gun range in the basement and on opening day of deer season teachers took off to go hunting and so did students who went out with their dads.
The Warren/Douglas Court destroyed America.
It WAS a different world back then, and a much nicer one in many ways.
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Sounds similar to the town where I grew up especially the school activity-salute to the flag etc. We still have teachers and students who take off to go deer hunting, but we don’t have a rifle range or anything like that.
Google "Fugitive Slave Act".
Fugitive slaves heading north or prevented from heading north was not a cause of the Civil War.
Google that one to your heart’s content.
We're talking about the God-given right to freedom of moving from place to place without being harassed by highwaymen or government employees.
The fact that ANYONE would be opposed to that notion disturbs and provokes me.
Google this: Cause of the American Civil War.
And show me where that is listed as the or a or any kind of “cause” of the Civil War.
We're talking about the inherent human right to peaceably travel from place to place without being obstructed by highwaymen or government agents.
I mentioned that the American Civil War was fought over this and other things. I also mentioned that there have been numerous other wars fought and being fought over this.
You have swerved into an argument over the causes of the American Civil War.
Do you believe that we, as human beings have the right to travel from place to place without being interfered with by highwaymen or government agents or do you not?
If you do not, then you are on the wrong forum.
Do you believe that we, as human beings have the right to travel from place to place without being interfered with by highwaymen or government agents or do you not?
If illegal immigrants are peaceable and remain so, then they have the right to move from place to place, providing there is reciprocity.
Are these your words from Posts 279 and 281:
"Wars were fought over the right to peaceably travel from place to place in this country..... Most notable would be the Civil War in this country. There were numerous others elsewhere, including the one that resulted in the Magna Carta."
What do you think that we're all stupid here ... and we haven't even gotten to the Magna Carta.
On this forum we here have a God given right not to have someone pee on our legs and then try to tell us that it's raining -- and you have been doing a lot of peeing.
Stuff that in the next peaceably travelling elk that you shoot and eat it with your illegal alien interlopers.
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