Posted on 01/01/2014 11:10:48 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland
Yeah, I know about New Mexico, as my daughter lived there once. But the question does pertain to many other people, and they must know the answer for every state they pass through.
/johnny
Some states don’t require a permit at all for open carry, or concealed carry.
Cite me one state that allows for concealed Carry without requiring a permit ...
Arizona
You’re late.....already been noted.
He wasn’t the worst I’ve ever seen, but he seemed unnecessarily confrontational when he was asking for ID and the male from the car was asking what the cop’s involvement was and he kept ignoring him and demanding ID. The encounter would no doubt have gone a lot smoother had the cop explained in a calm, reasonable voice, why he was there, what he was looking for, and what it would take for him to tell them they could go. He seemed to be more in the “respect mah authoritah” mode than the situation warranted to that point.
Let me point out here (as I did above) that there is NO RECIPROCITY WITH OTHER STATES if you go the “no permit” route.
Others WITH PERMITS will be entitled to carry concealed in those other states with reciprocity - while those people with no permits WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to do so in those other states.
That liberal loudmouth towards the end of the video, frowning at the girls’ right to carry firearms, deserved a good bitch-slapping. I loved the way the cop (who was otherwise a jerk) told the pansy to move on.
You see it once in a while here in AZ. I knew this one guy with a 1911 in his truck that would open carry if he had to get out in the hood. My family came from CA and we were waiting in line and one of the other shoppers was open carrying, and my cousin nudges me and points, and I look at the guy and it never occurs to me that my cousin thinks the guy’s gun is something noteworthy. I looked at my cousin like “What? What are you trying to show me?”
The cops always do that no matter who you are or what you say. If he was a “cheerleader” for that group, the cop would have still told him to move on ... :-) ...
I’ll have to admit that when I saw that guy in Walmart, it did get my attention, and at the same time, I did realize that the law had gone into effect just a few days prior .:-) ...
This kind of “activism” only hurts. I know we have the “ right, etc, etc.” But too many people see a gun and go nuts. And when the police are called you get the reaction of that dumb bystander. I carry every day in my Wal-Mart ...and have no problems. I carry CONCEALED!!! It is nobody’s damned business whether or not I have a LEGAL firearm and permit. A gun is not BLING...(look at me I have a gun and you don’t)... It is my method of self defense (at age 72). Jerks like these are going to get them to come after MY GUN or start posting establishments as no carry zones. And don’t tell me that won’t happen...It doesn’t take too many whackos to void your constitutional right...look at New York’s SAFE act.
No problem at all. AZ did away with the requirement that concealed carry holders had to get a permit AND take either an 8 or 16 hour class, I think? IF- one does take the class, it gives the attendee/holder reciprocity privileges with somewhere between 16 and 32 states. The exact number escapes me. That in itself is worth the time and effort, not to mention the refresher lessons, range time and education.
If a citizen is not breaking the law, there is no excuse for an officer to detain them and seek reason to take them into custody.
I’m not trying to give you a hard time, but if you see this as okay, why not place a permanent checkpoint along the highway and run records for every citizen who passes?
You ask, shouldn’t I be glad to have the bad eggs taken into custody? Yes, I guess I would be. Going with that assurance would be my constitutional right to free association.
Once you start infringing on our right to free passage, we are no longer free. We must prove that we are not criminals at the whim of a government official.
That’s not freedom. That makes you subservient to the state.
Our Constitution is unique in that it limits government and guarantees our rights. In your model (loosely), this limits our freedom and guarantees the government’s rights.
That’s my take on it. Look, if someone is engaged in clear violations of the law, I think they’re fair game. These women weren’t in clear violation of the law.
He hoped to find out they had robbed some store down the highway.
No luck evidently...
That’s not freedom. That makes you subservient to the state.
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I could not agree more, FRiend.
Right. Those who weren’t carrying shouldn’t have been questioned.
I didn’t realize the U.S. had such a hodge-podge of laws and requirements. What a mess.
Here in WA State, there is no law that says you must carry ID just walking down the street. However, there things you can do here that will require a license or permit, such as digging a bucket of clams, driving a motor vehicle, or carrying a concealed pistol. If you are doing any of those things, by law you must have your license/permit on your person and present it when asked.
All WA gun laws are state laws. There are no city or county statutes that override state laws, not that some cities haven’t tried. It must be a nightmare driving from one town to another in those states that allow that sort of thing. You could literally go from being legal to illegal every ten minutes.
Police still may stop you and ask for ID if you resemble the bank robber they’re looking for. Assuming you have some, the wisest thing to do is show it to them. Being dragged off to the station in cuffs is such a damned hassle.
>> The guy is simply doing a job and making his job as easy as possible is the best way for the both of you to separate and go your own ways without anybody’s toes getting stepped on.
I would maintain that all the citizens involved had their toes stepped on from the moment the cop started demanding IDs without probable cause of a crime having been committed.
No rights without attendant obligations.
This hodge-podge is why lawyers are some plentiful in our country. In countries such as Japan , German, and France, they are fewer because in those countries the law is better codified.
>> The guy is simply doing a job and making his job as easy as possible is the best way for the both of you to separate and go your own ways without anybody’s toes getting stepped on.
I would maintain that all the citizens involved had their toes stepped on from the moment the cop started demanding IDs without probable cause of a crime having been committed.
There are so many non-verbal and semantic communications that police officers pick up on that can lead them down the path of “finding” probable cause that I wouldn’t venture to make a judgment call unless I was onsite. One thing that sets cops off is seeing young persons holstering a weapon to show off or at least giving that appearance, particularly when that person may not appear to have the level of maturity to know when to use the weapon or not. You have to take into context that the officers are often ex-military that were in for a bit and then received police officer training / firearms training / use of force on top of that so they’ve had quite a bit if training with firearms while that “young snotty nosed punk got an open carry license to carry a firearm in just half a day”. Yeah sometimes (often) its about ego but there are some valid points there. I’ve been through 4 rounds of pretty intense firearms training (lasting anywhere from several weeks to several months at a time) and I would say a half a day of training isn’t nearly enough to deal with a life or death situation. Just my .02...
But it does seem that officers need a little more training on constitutional laws nowadays if nothing more to keep their jobs or their police departments from being sued.
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