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Cloud mystery solved: Global temperatures to rise at least 4°C by 2100
EurekAlert ^ | 12/31/2013 | Alvin Stone

Posted on 12/31/2013 7:29:24 AM PST by Abathar

Cloud impact on climate sensitivity unveiled

Global average temperatures will rise at least 4°C by 2100 and potentially more than 8°C by 2200 if carbon dioxide emissions are not reduced according to new research published in Nature. Scientists found global climate is more sensitive to carbon dioxide than most previous estimates.

The research also appears to solve one of the great unknowns of climate sensitivity, the role of cloud formation and whether this will have a positive or negative effect on global warming.

“Our research has shown climate models indicating a low temperature response to a doubling of carbon dioxide from preindustrial times are not reproducing the correct processes that lead to cloud formation," said lead author from the University of New South Wales’ Centre of Excellence for Climate System Science Prof Steven Sherwood.

“When the processes are correct in the climate models the level of climate sensitivity is far higher. Previously, estimates of the sensitivity of global temperature to a doubling of carbon dioxide ranged from 1.5°C to 5°C. This new research takes away the lower end of climate sensitivity estimates, meaning that global average temperatures will increase by 3°C to 5°C with a doubling of carbon dioxide."

The key to this narrower but much higher estimate can be found in the real world observations around the role of water vapour in cloud formation.

Observations show when water vapour is taken up by the atmosphere through evaporation, the updraughts can either rise to 15 km to form clouds that produce heavy rains or rise just a few kilometres before returning to the surface without forming rain clouds.

When updraughts rise only a few kilometres they reduce total cloud cover because they pull more vapour away from the higher cloud forming regions.

However water vapour is not pulled away from cloud forming regions when only deep 15km updraughts are present.

The researchers found climate models that show a low global temperature response to carbon dioxide do not include enough of this lower-level water vapour process. Instead they simulate nearly all updraughts as rising to 15 km and forming clouds.

When only the deeper updraughts are present in climate models, more clouds form and there is an increased reflection of sunlight. Consequently the global climate in these models becomes less sensitive in its response to atmospheric carbon dioxide.

However, real world observations show this behaviour is wrong.

When the processes in climate models are corrected to match the observations in the real world, the models produce cycles that take water vapour to a wider range of heights in the atmosphere, causing fewer clouds to form as the climate warms.

This increases the amount of sunlight and heat entering the atmosphere and, as a result, increases the sensitivity of our climate to carbon dioxide or any other perturbation.

The result is that when water vapour processes are correctly represented, the sensitivity of the climate to a doubling of carbon dioxide - which will occur in the next 50 years – means we can expect a temperature increase of at least 4°C by 2100.

“Climate sceptics like to criticize climate models for getting things wrong, and we are the first to admit they are not perfect, but what we are finding is that the mistakes are being made by those models which predict less warming, not those that predict more,” said Prof. Sherwood.

“Rises in global average temperatures of this magnitude will have profound impacts on the world and the economies of many countries if we don’t urgently start to curb our emissions.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antarctic; antarctica; australia; globalwarming; russia
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To: Abathar

The models forgot to factor in the ice age and weather.


81 posted on 12/31/2013 9:19:28 AM PST by pallis
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

*There is zero global warming.*

And that amount will triple every year!

;-)


82 posted on 12/31/2013 9:19:45 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: All
There is a group of self-taught experts that obviously have not been consulted yet - soaring pilots.

Over many decades glider pilots have learned, through multiple observations per flight, that thermals - the rising columns of air mentioned in the article - have a regular spacing. This horizontal spacing is usually 1.5 to 2.5 times the height of the thermal.

Translated into terms of the original article, lower thermals, and the clouds associated with them, are more frequent and closer spaced at low altitudes.

I wonder if their amazing computer models even allowed for multiple thermals over a given area, or just analyzed individual thermals with no relation to adjacent thermals?

83 posted on 12/31/2013 9:22:01 AM PST by az_gila
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I’ll drive a few extra miles today just to see if that helps you out.


84 posted on 12/31/2013 9:22:21 AM PST by Bob
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To: Abathar
“When the processes are correct in the climate models the level of climate sensitivity is far higher. Previously, estimates of the sensitivity of global temperature to a doubling of carbon dioxide ranged from 1.5°C to 5°C. This new research takes away the lower end of climate sensitivity estimates, meaning that global average temperatures will increase by 3°C to 5°C with a doubling of carbon dioxide.”

TRANSLATION:

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Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey,

Bo Diddley’s a gunslinger!
Goo goo gah jube.

I am the eggman, Whoo!
If you want to keep your insurance,
You can keep your insurance”

85 posted on 12/31/2013 9:24:59 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: LibLieSlayer
*Oh and out of the 73 computer models in use... NONE OF THEM CAN PREDICT THE CLIMATE TODAY*

I bet none of them, including man-bear-pig, can predict what the weather will be like next Tuesday...

86 posted on 12/31/2013 9:27:35 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: PeaRidge
*“However, real world observations show this behaviour is wrong.”
Statement of fact certified by Dr. Tommy Flanagan of The Hour of Need Fact Repository, c/o Clinton Library. *

I'm surprised that Al gore doesn't end every sentence with, “That's the ticket!”

87 posted on 12/31/2013 9:29:19 AM PST by PATRIOT1876
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To: Abathar
The news media has been screeching for 30 years that the ice caps are melting. actually there is more ice now in Antarctica than ever measured before man has been emitting co2 from machines for 300 years. and there's been no melting of ice caps, no warming. now they want us to believe what a near 10 degree rise in temps before the end of the century.ridiculous.global warming is the biggest lie ever. it's meant to enslave us ,destroy capitalism and install socialism. the Sun's solar cycles say a century of cooling is coming. no warming.

I’m glad a ship full of these global warming scientists, these evil chicken littles are stuck in the Ice in Antarctica

88 posted on 12/31/2013 9:31:47 AM PST by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Red Badger
Being an old PMEL Calibration guy...

My dad headed up PMEL back in the 60's.

89 posted on 12/31/2013 10:06:01 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

I was in PMEL from 73-77 in the USMC and afterwards for civilian companies until 1993............


90 posted on 12/31/2013 10:09:03 AM PST by Red Badger (Proud member of the Zeta Omicron Tau Fraternity since 2004...................)
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To: Da Coyote

“Climate research” and politics are one in the same.


91 posted on 12/31/2013 10:09:19 AM PST by Organic Panic
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To: All
Everything you need to know about CO2 and "Global Warming":


92 posted on 12/31/2013 10:32:07 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: Bob

You’re a good man. Burn a few tires too, if you got ‘em :)


93 posted on 12/31/2013 10:40:35 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Rodamala

Shows about a 4% rise in solubility for every degree drop in water temperature. So presuming the oceans have warmed about 1C following the Little Ice Age, how does the corresponding 4% drop in CO2 solubility account for the 40% rise in atmospheric CO2 observed?


94 posted on 12/31/2013 10:44:38 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: USCG SimTech

I work in the calibration lab at MSFC in Huntsville. You sound like my boss.....(g)


95 posted on 12/31/2013 11:25:14 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: rktman
"Blunder down under?"

"And he said, "I come from a land down under

Where beer does flow and men chunder blunder

Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?

You better run, you better take cover", yeah"

96 posted on 12/31/2013 3:09:09 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Me thinks they may be hearing the frozen water(ice) thunder. Or someone is firing for range. Uh, trying to break up the frozen water of course.


97 posted on 12/31/2013 4:16:28 PM PST by rktman (Under my plan(scheme), the price of EVERYTHING will necessarily skyrocket! Period.)
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To: arthurus

Testify.


98 posted on 01/01/2014 6:38:53 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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To: PATRIOT1876

No, they cannot... two days predictions if they are lucky.


99 posted on 01/01/2014 6:39:46 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS! BETTER DEAD THAN RED!)
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